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Nem on 28 March 2018
Soundwave said:
Nem said:

That's where the setting makes sense. Syfa dias was a jedi master, dooku was an apprentice of Palpatine, but after the prequels pretty much every jedi died and the only Sith was palpatine. So, this snoke guy makes no sense without some explanation.

Btw i agree that that stuff should be in episode 7 and that is why i disliked it. I don't think the problem is TLJ but the whole thing. This new trilogy feels like a different dimension where the empire was never defeated. It's a can of nonsense. 

I still don't know what these "shit answers" are you are talking about, but theres also the highperspeed jump cutting things in half. That came out of nowhere. I think you are trying to attack something that is legitimate. I guess after the first movie it was "this stuff will get explained later". Now that they see it won't everyone woke up from the trance. xD

Syfo-Dias was actually Sydo-Dias or something in the original conception of Attack of the Clones, Lucas realized it was too stupid though because that obviously meant Sidious and it was too on the nose. The Clone Wars TV show then made it into an actual seperate character, but the story arc never went anywhere under Lucas he just wanted Obi-Wan to be a detective for 40 minutes of a movie. 

I'm looking at movies through "where's the drama? Is the conflict interesting? Is the story surprising?" you know basic *storytelling* stuff not fanboy indulgement. That's not real storytelling. On that end I thought TLJ was alright. The mistake the script makes is it spends too much time on superfluous characters instead of staying with Luke-Rey-Kylo, any scene with one of those three characters I found very interesting, the other stuff kinda feels like it's there because it Star Wars and you have to have B/C-plot with other characters just cuz Star Wars. 

Snoke's backstory should've been in The Force Awakens. Even if there's a line there where they go "Oh Snoke was a dark side user who lived in the Outer Rim and consolidated power after the Emperor died" (which probably is the basic jist of his story) I guess .... so? I mean suddenly is the movie 5x better with that in it? I'm glad they didn't do that Darth Plagueis stupidity. 

We didn't know where the heck Palpatine came from or who he was in the OT, he just suddenly showed up. 

But TLJ isn't just one movie. It's movie 8 of a continued story. It isn't an isolated story. So, i dont think it makes sense to jugde all those aspects in a suspension of disbelief bubble on the individual film. That has nothing to do with being fanboy, but just from watching the movies. This story isn't just one movie.



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irstupid on 28 March 2018
Soundwave said:
Insidb said:

I can't really forgive Johnson turning a bunch of key characters into superfluous characters, in his own script. The only advice I have for focusing on them is "stop hitting yourself."

Palpatine showing up in the OG trilogy is explained the prequels, and the OG trilogy films are the prequels to the new trilogy. Ergo, Johnson should have borrowed from source material that explained it or explained it himself. It's not like Lucas started with IV-VI and didn't have an explanation: he didn't have the visual effects to start with I-III.

Also, the books were better.

We didn't have the prequels for like 20 years, lol, and believe me Star Wars was much better off before them. 

Lucas made most of his shit up on the fly, researching how the OT was done, he just turned Leia into Luke's sister way later on and the earliest drafts of Empire Strikes Back does not have Darth Vader as Luke's father (Anakin is a separate character that even shows up as a Force ghost to talk to Luke, lol). 

None of the scripts/drafts had Vader listed as his father, because he wanted it to be a surprise. The cast didn't find out until premier night when watching the movie.

But do you really think he never 'planned' Vader to be Luke father? Do you know what Vader means in German/Dutch?



thismeintiel on 28 March 2018
arcaneguyver said:

The Emperor didn't need to be explained in the OT - the Empire were the villains, ergo we have an Emperor helming it. Vader serves him, so he's probably super OP. He wants Vader to find Luke to become his new apprentice, and decides to kill him when he declines after revealing he has a sister (another potential convert).

Snoke, on the other hand...he comes out of nowhere in chapter #7, with a whole fleet, ultimate WMD, and sith (?) underling (whom he decides on a whim shouldn't wear a mask because reasons). He's got some fancy force tricks, his fleet recovers instantly from having the incredibly expensive WMD blown up, doesn't know his fleet has the ability to track through hyperspace, wants Rey initially to turn her...and then decides killing her & Luke is a better plan because reasons, and then dies like a chump.

 

Nem said:
Soundwave said:

Syfo-Dias was actually Sydo-Dias or something in the original conception of Attack of the Clones, Lucas realized it was too stupid though because that obviously meant Sidious and it was too on the nose. The Clone Wars TV show then made it into an actual seperate character, but the story arc never went anywhere under Lucas he just wanted Obi-Wan to be a detective for 40 minutes of a movie. 

I'm looking at movies through "where's the drama? Is the conflict interesting? Is the story surprising?" you know basic *storytelling* stuff not fanboy indulgement. That's not real storytelling. On that end I thought TLJ was alright. The mistake the script makes is it spends too much time on superfluous characters instead of staying with Luke-Rey-Kylo, any scene with one of those three characters I found very interesting, the other stuff kinda feels like it's there because it Star Wars and you have to have B/C-plot with other characters just cuz Star Wars. 

Snoke's backstory should've been in The Force Awakens. Even if there's a line there where they go "Oh Snoke was a dark side user who lived in the Outer Rim and consolidated power after the Emperor died" (which probably is the basic jist of his story) I guess .... so? I mean suddenly is the movie 5x better with that in it? I'm glad they didn't do that Darth Plagueis stupidity. 

We didn't know where the heck Palpatine came from or who he was in the OT, he just suddenly showed up. 

But TLJ isn't just one movie. It's movie 8 of a continued story. It isn't an isolated story. So, i dont think it makes sense to jugde all those aspects in a suspension of disbelief bubble on the individual film. That has nothing to do with being fanboy, but just from watching the movies. This story isn't just one movie.

Exactly. ANH is where the story begins. And it was set up so simply, it didn't really need much explanation, though, we did get some. TFA/TLJ is a continuation of that story. You can't go from the Empire being almost completely destroyed, with the galaxy celebrating, to a new Emporer and Empire with no explanation, just so you can copy the same dynamic from the OG trilogy. And you definitely can't retcon stuff from even Ep 7, just so the director can have "his film." 



 

thismeintiel on 02 April 2018

Weekend actuals are in. TLJ did $67K. This is 73.1% lower than RO's $249.1K for the same weekend. For the past 17 days, TLJ has underperformed RO by 67.4%. From now until it left theatres, RO made $455.8K. If the 67.4% holds, than TLJ will make just $148.6K. This would bring the final DBO total to $620.25M. If the FBO precentage of 53.5% holds, final WW will be $1.334B.

Just a few points that help illustrate how poor its legs have been (all numbers pertain to DBO):

- By the end of Week 3, Day 21, TLJ had been outperforming RO, outside of opening weekend, by 9.6%. That performance has fallen to 6.2% in the following weeks.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ had dropped 28.7% (-$221.4M) below TFA. It currently is 33.7% (-$314.8M) below TFA and is looking to end up ~33.8% (-$316.4M) down.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $21.7M ahead of Jurassic World. It is currently $30.3M behind it and is looking to end up ~$32M behind it.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $72.3M ahead of Avengers:AOU. It is currently $2.5M ahead of it and is looking to end up ~$3.1M behind it.



 

thismeintiel on 08 April 2018

This is going to be my last update until final numbers are in, which given that TLJ has been dropped from 98.6% of its screenings (it only has 61 left), should only take a week or two. It looks like it actually may get taken out of theaters faster than Rogue One was. 

TLJ made $37K this past weekend. That's 75.9% lower than the $153.26K RO made for the same weekend. For the past 24 days, TLJ has underperformed RO by 67.8%. From now until it left theater's, RO made $159.19K. If the 67.8% holds, TLJ will only make $51.26K. This would bring the DBO total to $620.22M. If the 53.5% FBO holds, then the final WW take will be $1.334B.

I'll update the other bullet points on the final numbers update. It is interesting to note that while some thought it would be awhile before we saw another $600M+, since TLJ must prove that this is the new normal and not some fan backlash, the Black Panther film is on its way to possibly hitting $700M. It also looks to be aiming to take that #9 spot from TLJ on the Top 10 WW of all time. And IW looks to push it completely out of the list. Far cry from a film that was supposed to hit #2 at the DBO and sit in the Top 5 WW for decades to come.

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thismeintiel on 15 April 2018

It seems TLJ's run is over, as Disney has only given an estimate for Friday. There is an off chance that they waiting for actuals, since the numbers are so low at this point. However, I find that unlikely, since it would be odd to still give one for Friday. If true, TLJ ends it's run with a DBO take of $620.17M and a WW take of $1.333B. This means that...

- By the end of Week 3, Day 21, TLJ had been outperforming RO, outside of opening weekend, by 9.6%. That performance has fallen to 6.1%.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ had dropped 28.7% (-$221.4M) below TFA. It is now 33.8% (-$316.49M) below it.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $21.7M ahead of Jurassic World. It is now $32.1M behind it.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $72.3M ahead of Avengers. It is now $3.18M behind it.
- TLJ was pulled from theaters on Day 120. This is 45 days sooner than TFA. It's even 20 days sooner than RO.



 

thismeintiel on 16 April 2018

It seems that TLJ is still in theaters, but with how poorly it is doing, it might as well not be. So, the final WW number looks like it will remain $1,333B, even if it adds a couple more thousand here or there. BP has just $23.9M more to go to pass it.

Well, this thread was a fun ride, following its poor legs and all the debates. Thanks for all who contributed.

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darkenergy on 06 May 2018
thismeintiel said:

It seems that TLJ is still in theaters, but with how poorly it is doing, it might as well not be. So, the final WW number looks like it will remain $1,333B, even if it adds a couple more thousand here or there. BP has just $23.9M more to go to pass it.

Well, this thread was a fun ride, following its poor legs and all the debates. Thanks for all who contributed.

Black Panther surpasses TLJ as the 9th highest grossing film of all time.



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Soundwave on 12 May 2018

Sounds like the early buzz from advance screenings of Solo: A Star Wars Story are very positive, ruh roh, Star Wars not dead yet? lol.



darkenergy on 12 May 2018

So now this thread will be about the Han solo movie? lol



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