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mZuzek said:
oh my god why is this thread still going.

As long as TLJ is still in theaters this thread is still active.



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mZuzek said:
darkenergy said:

As long as TLJ is still in theaters this thread is still active.

TLJ is still in theaters?

Yeah, but it won't be for long.



chakkra said:

I don't think the fans have spoken yet. I think the effects of this mess will be really felt on EP 9.  I have heard way too many people saying that they are not interested in knowing where the story is going anymore.  And I know I cannot speak for everybody but I'm sure as hell not watching any other installment of this saga.  At least not in the theaters.

I will wait until the spinoff written by the Game of Throne's writers.

It'll be interesting to see if Ep 9 drops, again.  I'm guessing it will, seeing as it doesn't have the conclusion to the Vader story that Ep 3 had going for it.  Adjusted for inflation, ROTJ dropped ~22%.  If Ep 9 drops the same amount, that would put it at $1.04B.  Which would be $10M less than RO, a spinoff.  Pretty pathetic end for the new trilogy if that is the case.  Even without the advantages of the HUGE movie market of today, ROTJ and ROTS still made ~$1.2B, adjusted.

SuaveSocialist said:
thismeintiel said: 

OG Trilogy

ANH - DBO: $1.28B/FBO: $1.31B/WW: $2.59B
ESB - DBO: $707.4M (-44.7%)/FBO: $837.5M (-36.1%)/WW: $1.54B (-40.5%)
ROTJ - DBO: $726.4M (+2.7%)/FBO: $476.8M (-43.1%)/WW: $1.2B (-22.1%)

Prequel Trilogy

TPM - DBO: $760.9M/FBO: $975.2M/WW: $1.74B
AOTC - DBO: $466.6M (-38.7%)/FBO: $522.9M (-$46.4%)/WW: $989.5M (-43.1%)
ROTS - DBO: $532.1M (+14%)/FBO: $655.6M (+25.4%)/WW: $1.19B (+20.3%)

Disney Trilogy (So Far)

TFA - DBO: $969.8M/FBO: $1.17B/WW: $2.14B
TLJ - DBO: $621.1M (-36%)/FBO: $711.8M (-39.2%)/WW: $1.33B (-37.9%)

 

1.  So, while the percentages obviously increased, it doesn't tell the whole story. 

2. The main point, of course, is that no matter how you look at it, TLJ greatly underperformed. 

1.  And yet the title of your thread includes a percentage that supposedly tells the whole story.  That TLJ made it into the Top Ten instead of fizzling out like BvS kind of ruins your narrative.  

2. Well, given that TLJ has the healthiest drop-off percentage for the middle of a Star Wars trilogy, and that's just looking at your own numbers, it actually over-performed.  The fans have spoken, indeed.

Make all the excuses you want about the amount of time movies had in their theatrical run or the nature of cinema/home video for their times, if you want.  I'll see all those excuses and raise you Empire Strikes Back Special Edition vs A New Hope Special Edition.  Witness how Empire performs on an even playing field.

The fact that you continue to ignore actual context and bring up the poorest of examples, the Special Editions, is laughable.  And that is the only response your post gets.

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mZuzek said:
darkenergy said:

As long as TLJ is still in theaters this thread is still active.

TLJ is still in theaters?

Yea, but it is down to just ~8% of the theaters it had on opening weekend.  That's actually a faster drop in theaters than even RO.  And a lot faster than TFA, or the other $200M+ openers.  Unless Disney has a deal with some theater chains, I'd say it'll be out of theaters within 4-5 weeks.  Which would mean it got pulled out of theaters 5 weeks faster than RO.



thismeintiel said:
SuaveSocialist said:

1.  And yet the title of your thread includes a percentage that supposedly tells the whole story.  That TLJ made it into the Top Ten instead of fizzling out like BvS kind of ruins your narrative.  

2. Well, given that TLJ has the healthiest drop-off percentage for the middle of a Star Wars trilogy, and that's just looking at your own numbers, it actually over-performed.  The fans have spoken, indeed.

Make all the excuses you want about the amount of time movies had in their theatrical run or the nature of cinema/home video for their times, if you want.  I'll see all those excuses and raise you Empire Strikes Back Special Edition vs A New Hope Special Edition.  Witness how Empire performs on an even playing field.

1.  The fact that you continue to ignore actual context

2. and bring up the poorest of examplesthe Special Editions, is laughable. 

3. And that is the only response your post gets.

1.  I wonder what the actual context of "no matter how you look at it" is.  Have you Moved the Goal Posts again?  TLJ has the healthiest drop-off among inflation-adjusted middle films in a Star Wars trilogy (going by your own numbers and your own admission) and Empire had the largest slump when all your excuses are inapplicable.  Just going by the box office, that's a checkmate against your position.

2.  Care to explain why they are the poorest of examples?  The Special Editions performed when home video, inflation, ticket prices, time in theatres, piracy, etc, were pretty much equal.  If your "actual context" is somewhere in those excuses, the Special Editions decapitates your entire argument and that makes them the best of examples.

3.  A common reaction when one cannot Move the Goal Posts any further; the equivalent of knocking over your own King.



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It will be interesting going back to this post when ep9 is released...



Weekend estimates are in. TLJ did $335K. This is 20.9% lower than RO's $423.4K for the same weekend. For the past 10 days, RO has outperformed TLJ by 26.7%. From now until it left theatres, RO made $2.73M. If the 26.7% holds, than TLJ will make just $2.15M. This would bring the final DBO total to $620.9M. If the FBO precentage of 53.5% holds, final WW will be $1.34B.

Just a few points that help illustrate how poor its legs have been (all numbers pertain to DBO):

- By the end of Week 3, Day 21, TLJ had been outperforming RO, outside of opening weekend, by 9.6%. That performance has fallen to 6.5% in the following weeks.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ had dropped 28.7% (-$221.4M) below TFA. It currently is 33.2% (-$307.3M) below TFA and is looking to end up ~33.7% (-$315.8M) down.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $21.7M ahead of Jurassic World. It is currently $20.9M behind it and is looking to end up ~$31.4M behind it.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $72.3M ahead of Avengers:AOU. It is currently $5.05M ahead of it and is looking to end up ~$2.5M behind it.
- TLJ has lost 93.1% of its screenings by Weekend 11. At this point in time, TFA had lost 65.3% and RO had lost 93.2%. JW had lost 86.6% and A:AOU had lost 82.8%.
- On Day 69, TLJ already had a take below $60K ($58K).  It wasn't until Day 74 that RO dropped below $60K.  Day 109 for TFA.  Day 102 for JW.  And after Day 84 (info for Day 85-119 is missing) for Avengers.



Weekend estimates are in. TLJ did $254K. This is 13.4% higher than RO's $223.9K for the same weekend. For the past 17 days, RO has outperformed TLJ by 19%. From now until it left theatres, RO made $2.35M. If the 19% holds, than TLJ will make just $1.97M. This would bring the final DBO total to $621.1M. If the FBO precentage of 53.5% holds, final WW will be $1.34B.

Just a few points that help illustrate how poor its legs have been (all numbers pertain to DBO):

- By the end of Week 3, Day 21, TLJ had been outperforming RO, outside of opening weekend, by 9.6%. That performance has fallen to 6.5% in the following weeks.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ had dropped 28.7% (-$221.4M) below TFA. It currently is 33.3% (-$309.7M) below TFA and is looking to end up ~33.7% (-$315.6M) down.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $21.7M ahead of Jurassic World. It is currently $23.9M behind it and is looking to end up ~$31.2M behind it.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $72.3M ahead of Avengers:AOU. It is currently $4.06M ahead of it and is looking to end up ~$2.3M behind it.
- TLJ has lost 94.8% of its screenings by Weekend 12. At this point in time, TFA had lost 75.3% and RO had lost 96%. JW had lost 71% (it actually gained some theaters on this weekend) and Avengers had lost 88.6%.
- On Day 69, TLJ already had a take below $60K ($58K). It wasn't until Day 74 that RO dropped below $60K. Day 109 for TFA. Day 102 for JW. And after Day 84 (info for Day 85-119 is missing) for Avengers.



On a related side note, I think it is going to be freaking hilarious if Black Panther passes TLJ, a movie that was predicted to easily take #3, but more than likely cement itself at #2 for years to come at the DBO. Instead, right now it looks like TLJ will finish #6 at the DBO. And BP looks like if it keeps going the way it is, it could pass TLJ, pushing it down to #7 at the DBO. And if JW2 and A:IW turn out to be good, it's going to be pushed down to #9, meaning in another year or so, it will be out of the Top 10. Again, a movie that was supposed to stick at #2 or #3 for years to come.

And some may say, "But, BP is $16.1M behind LJ." Well, just keep in mind that TLJ collapsed its 2nd weekend, but did well during the following holiday week. Week 4 is when it started to collapse completely. I don't see that happening to BP, because while I personally wish BP was a better film, it has basically become an event film, where most people are forgiving its flaws for the time being. It's 2nd and 3rd weekends are also higher than TLJ's and its 4th weekend will have to be down 64%+ for it to be lower than TLJ's 4th, which is not going to happen.

As for WW, TLJ was supposed to finish #5, but had a good shot at cementing itself at #4 for years to come. Instead, it looks like it will finish at #9. I think it will be a tall order for BP to push it down to #10, but it isn't impossible. I don't see BP having the great late legs that Avengers did, though they will definitely be better than TLJ, but who knows. If the legs aren't quite as good as Avengers and BP finishes at $630M at the DBO, and China helps push the FBO take to 46%-48% of its total, WW will end at $1.17-$1.21B. Or it could stick to outperforming Avenger by ~9.5% and finish ~$680M, and it does enough in China to push the FBO to 50%, it will finish above it.

Even if BP doesn't push it to #9 WW, there's a good shot that JW2 and A:IW pushes it out of th Top 10. Again, a film that was supposed to cement itself at #4 or #5 for years to come.



Weekend estimates are in. TLJ did $246K. This is 17.3% higher than RO's $209.6K for the same weekend. For the past 24 days, RO has outperformed TLJ by 13%. From now until it left theatres, RO made $2.06M. If the 19% holds, than TLJ will make just $1.82M. This would bring the final DBO total to $621.3M. If the FBO precentage of 53.5% holds, final WW will be $1.34B.

Just a few points that help illustrate how poor its legs have been (all numbers pertain to DBO):

- By the end of Week 3, Day 21, TLJ had been outperforming RO, outside of opening weekend, by 9.6%. That performance has fallen to 6.5% in the following weeks.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ had dropped 28.7% (-$221.4M) below TFA. It currently is 33.4% (-$311.3M) below TFA and is looking to end up ~33.7% (-$315.4M) down.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $21.7M ahead of Jurassic World. It is currently $27.3M behind it and is looking to end up ~$31M behind it.
- By the end of Week 3, TLJ was $72.3M ahead of Avengers:AOU. It is currently $3.47M ahead of it and is looking to end up ~$2.1M behind it.
- TLJ has lost 94.2% of its screenings by Weekend 13. At this point in time, TFA had lost 81.6% and RO had lost 96%. JW had lost 63.2% (it actually gained even more theaters on this weekend) and Avengers had lost 91.4%.
- On Day 69, TLJ already had a take below $60K ($58K). It wasn't until Day 74 that RO dropped below $60K. Day 109 for TFA. Day 102 for JW. And after Day 84 (info for Day 85-119 is missing) for Avengers.