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Could Sony make a successful Switch ?

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Sony isn't capable of supporting more than one gaming ecosystem at once, we saw this with the Vita. If they made the "PS Switch" their only console (so a PS$ successor) then it could work.



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PS4 pro specs on a vita-like handheld with a docking station. seems not doable in the near future. so I doubt it.
PS4 caters to a demographic that requires great graphics and most of the gamers would play on the TV. Otherwise, Japanese gamers wanted handhelds hence Sony would love that idea but hard to get a PS4 pro specs/level on a handheld so won't happen soon.



bonzobanana said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

What price?

Less than Switch more than 3DS. Sony normally offers much better hardware value in performance terms and I feel they should focus more on portability than performance so it should sit at a early Vita price point $250/£210 with the VR visor another $50/£40. Should then drop to $200/£170 for its first big price drop. There is absolutely no reason why this price point isn't easily achievable and profitable for Sony. It really just has to be more powerful and more portable than Switch which will be easy to do if launched lets say late next year. It would need to be fully compatible with all playstation VR titles as well. The visor could also be used portably to give augmented reality etc and more basic VR experiences, maybe ps2/ps3 level VR titles. 

I do think Sony needs to integrate VR into their portable platform. It may even be that the only offer a hybrid style VR platform in the future so if you want to play VR on ps4, ps4 pro or ps5 it will be making use of their hybrid console in a visor.  If they have a tablet with a high definition display why not combine it with a VR visor. Sony have less need for a dock anyway with their more powerful home consoles, a hybrid portable/VR system in many ways would be better and tv output while supported would be more of a minor feature. 

When the psp4 comes into the market at $250 the Switch will already be at that price point.



bonzobanana said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

What price?

Less than Switch more than 3DS. Sony normally offers much better hardware value in performance terms and I feel they should focus more on portability than performance so it should sit at a early Vita price point $250/£210 with the VR visor another $50/£40. Should then drop to $200/£170 for its first big price drop. There is absolutely no reason why this price point isn't easily achievable and profitable for Sony. It really just has to be more powerful and more portable than Switch which will be easy to do if launched lets say late next year. It would need to be fully compatible with all playstation VR titles as well. The visor could also be used portably to give augmented reality etc and more basic VR experiences, maybe ps2/ps3 level VR titles. 

I do think Sony needs to integrate VR into their portable platform. It may even be that the only offer a hybrid style VR platform in the future so if you want to play VR on ps4, ps4 pro or ps5 it will be making use of their hybrid console in a visor.  If they have a tablet with a high definition display why not combine it with a VR visor. Sony have less need for a dock anyway with their more powerful home consoles, a hybrid portable/VR system in many ways would be better and tv output while supported would be more of a minor feature. 

Except you need a memory card required for Vita so it is 300$, not 250$ and in fact, Vita at best = early ps3. The most advantage mobile chip these days is not close to ps4 yet, let alone ps5. Also, outside Nvidia, which company can provide Sony a mobile chip for a hybrid that is stronger than Switch and can play ps4/ps5 games with 250$ price point and battery life last at least 3 hours?



Rocketjay8 said:
bonzobanana said:

Less than Switch more than 3DS. Sony normally offers much better hardware value in performance terms and I feel they should focus more on portability than performance so it should sit at a early Vita price point $250/£210 with the VR visor another $50/£40. Should then drop to $200/£170 for its first big price drop. There is absolutely no reason why this price point isn't easily achievable and profitable for Sony. It really just has to be more powerful and more portable than Switch which will be easy to do if launched lets say late next year. It would need to be fully compatible with all playstation VR titles as well. The visor could also be used portably to give augmented reality etc and more basic VR experiences, maybe ps2/ps3 level VR titles. 

I do think Sony needs to integrate VR into their portable platform. It may even be that the only offer a hybrid style VR platform in the future so if you want to play VR on ps4, ps4 pro or ps5 it will be making use of their hybrid console in a visor.  If they have a tablet with a high definition display why not combine it with a VR visor. Sony have less need for a dock anyway with their more powerful home consoles, a hybrid portable/VR system in many ways would be better and tv output while supported would be more of a minor feature. 

When the psp4 comes into the market at $250 the Switch will already be at that price point.

When psp4 happen, Switch maybe cost 200$ only and it will be a long wait for ps4/ps5 power on handheld



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They could I just don't want them to. I don't want Sony copying Nintendo's idea.



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Ways I see Sony failing at this:

-Build a PlayStation Switch the is seperate from the main line console. (Ex. PS4 or PS5 uses X86, PS Switch uses ARM. PS Switch has own games/OS.)

-PlayStation Switch Clone is PlayStation 5 (I don't see portability being more important than 4K and VR with the core PS userbase, this would go against everything the PS4 is.)

-Sony fails to offer 4G or 5G, limiting the capability to take advantage of PSN, and larger market functions like calling and texting.

-They try and shoehorn it in with Xperia and Android. 

 

Ways I see Sony having an oppertunity to succeed:

-Built as another piece of the PlayStation Ecosystem. (Uses PS4 or PS4 chipset. Shares the PS4 or PS5 OS. Shares all software and services with PS4 and PS5.)

-Built with mobile in mind. (Offer a 4G or 5G model, allowing it to stand alone as a mobile streaming device, mobile online gaming platform, and cell phone replacemennt.)

-Built with the gamers in mind. (Offer a Wifi only model for a very affordable price for those that purly want it for gaming.)

 

I would love to see them build a PS Switch, PSP3, PS4 Phone, etc. by 2019 on a 7nm PS4 chipset. AMD already has APU's with massive CPU improvements over PS4, with just shy of PS4 GPU power that are running at 15 Watts on 14nm fabrication. 

Alternatively, and maybe even more plausable. They could do very well with PS5 in 2019 offering a Wifi PS5 Handheld, 4G PS5 Phone, a base PS5 Console, and a Premium tier PS5 console. 

If they went the PS5 route, they could have the entire PS4 library B/C on all PS5 devices. PS5 games could be built to scale from 720p on the Handheld and Phone, with 1080p or 1440p on the base PS5, and 4K in the Premium unit. 

At any rate, I believe Sony has to expand the PlayStation ecosystem to more form factors, and continue to push for a broader market. Either they do it under the PS4 and establish themselves in the mobile space before moving to PS5, or they do it with the launch of the PS5, offering more ways to play, and greater value than ever.



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HoangNhatAnh said:
EricHiggin said:

Where did you get $500 and 1.5 hr battery life? If AMD has an ARM APU (which they also say it's part of their semi-custom line), then AMD can make it to fit in whatever performance and price bracket PS requires for the handheld/hybrid. Assuming PS would design it so it cost $500 and only had 1.5 hr battery life is like assuming the next Tesla model will have a gasoline engine, but will only have half the range of an electric Tesla, and will cost so much only few will be able to afford it. It makes no sense, especially after seeing what they've done with PS4 and Pro in terms of price/performance and how well that has turned out.

PS4/PS4 Pro is home console. This one is a hybrid and a portable at core. Switch already cost 300$ and 3 hours battery life. What price this system with ps4 power and games will have? And mobile chip with Tegra X2 or even X3 will be a great leap over what AMD can do. They are not even reach X1 power yet with 300$ only in mobile  chip

Well I personally wouldn't expect the handheld/hybrid to be the exact same specs as the PS4. The spec would matter more in terms of what the PS5 console specs were, since it would be in the PS5 family, but hopefully the handheld/hybrid would be able to play PS4 games.

Saying AMD can't do what Nvidia can do is something you can only base on what's presently on the market at the moment. Based on the article it seems AMD may have something competitive with the Tegra line, but maybe they don't, and maybe that's why they have been so quiet about it, in which case a hybrid/handheld PS4/PS5 may be more unlikely.

The article doesn't give much info, but even with a low core count (and not many CU's?), it says it's only 02w TDP, and since Tegra is in the range of 15w TDP, that K12 APU should be able to be beefed up quite a bit to hit 15w. Even the low end Ryzen mobile APU chips are in the 15w range and are really impressive in how well they can handle games. Like not that far from PS4 impressive. At 720p they should play perfectly on a PS handheld/hybrid. I don't see how a $300 PS "Switch" isn't possible in the next year or two, assuming they already have something preliminary they can work off of, on top of seeing Switch's design and success.



[Depends on many things] For a "playstation switch" console to be successful it need games, cause games sell consoles, and it needs to be advertise really good. I've never seen a Vita commercial on TV yet!

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EricHiggin said: 

 Even the low end Ryzen mobile APU chips are in the 15w range and are really impressive in how well they can handle games. Like not that far from PS4 impressive. At 720p they should play perfectly on a PS handheld/hybrid. I don't see how a $300 PS "Switch" isn't possible in the next year or two, assuming they already have something preliminary they can work off of, on top of seeing Switch's design and success.

This is what has me very excited, and makes me think they will be able to pull this off on X86.  The Ryzen 7 2700U already has the CPU power to run circles around PS4, and it has more GPU power than the XBO, and this at 15watts on 14nm FinFET. Going to 7nm FinFET, which should be available in 2019, there is a very real possability of a PS4 Portable or a PS5 Line of devices that includes a Portable. At any rate there will be more than enough power to run PS4 games, and keep the power window under 10Watts, using X86 which is ideal for compatibility and work load. I really hope something is in the works, and Sony killed off Vita support in anticipation of unifying their home and mobile offerings under one architecture, one OS.



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