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Could Sony make a successful Switch ?

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potato_hamster on 12 January 2018
Genos8 said:
potato_hamster said:

Because it's 2009 technology? The only thing it's missing is the detachable motion controls, and frankly that's the Switch's most unnecessary feature.

more power in docked mode, physical media, motion controls... And remember the situation gets worse because of all the extra hardware required for psp.

So again... 2009 technology. And the PSP Go did have an added performance mode that developers could enable at any time, including when the console was docked. Still not sure how the situation gets worse? Because the dock cost $50 and the PS3 controller cost $30 at the time? I'm pretty sure there's many people out there that would have jumped at a Switch that didn't come with a TV dock if it cost $50 less.

Look, all I'm saying is that if at E3 2018, Sony announces a PS4 portable that can connect with PS4 controllers (or move controllers) via bluetooth, and has an dock that allows you to play it on the TV with the PS4 controller (or move controllers), they won't be copying Nintendo or the Switch.



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HoangNhatAnh on 12 January 2018
potato_hamster said:
Genos8 said:

more power in docked mode, physical media, motion controls... And remember the situation gets worse because of all the extra hardware required for psp.

So again... 2009 technology. And the PSP Go did have an added performance mode that developers could enable at any time, including when the console was docked. Still not sure how the situation gets worse? Because the dock cost $50 and the PS3 controller cost $30 at the time? I'm pretty sure there's many people out there that would have jumped at a Switch that didn't come with a TV dock if it cost $50 less.

Look, all I'm saying is that if at E3 2018, Sony announces a PS4 portable that can connect with PS4 controllers (or move controllers) via bluetooth, and has an dock that allows you to play it on the TV with the PS4 controller (or move controllers), they won't be copying Nintendo or the Switch.

If Nintendo Switch failed, pretty sure you all won't mention this. So because the tech and the cost didn't enable it yet, so it count? By your logic, I can say Nintendo already planed all their systems from 50 years ago but the tech and the cost didn't exist so they can't make them become relevant. And as of now, no matter who think about it first, Nintendo is the first one do it and success. And Sony one is digital only, right?



pizzanuggs on 12 January 2018

They seem spread thin enough with ps5 plans all ready long in development and VR being in its infancy. The ps4 aint the ps3 which was Sony grasping at straws attempting "innovations" like 3D and The Move.



potato_hamster on 12 January 2018
HoangNhatAnh said:
potato_hamster said:

So again... 2009 technology. And the PSP Go did have an added performance mode that developers could enable at any time, including when the console was docked. Still not sure how the situation gets worse? Because the dock cost $50 and the PS3 controller cost $30 at the time? I'm pretty sure there's many people out there that would have jumped at a Switch that didn't come with a TV dock if it cost $50 less.

Look, all I'm saying is that if at E3 2018, Sony announces a PS4 portable that can connect with PS4 controllers (or move controllers) via bluetooth, and has an dock that allows you to play it on the TV with the PS4 controller (or move controllers), they won't be copying Nintendo or the Switch.

If Nintendo Switch failed, pretty sure you all won't mention this. So because the tech and the cost didn't enable it yet, so it count? By your logic, I can say Nintendo already planed all their systems from 50 years ago but the tech and the cost didn't exist so they can't make them become relevant. And as of now, no matter who think about it first, Nintendo is the first one do it and success. And Sony one is digital only, right?

I mentioned this after the Switch was announced, so I'm not sure why you think the success of the Switch has anything to do with my comment.

Again, my point was that Sony has already made a console that shared many core concepts with the Switch, so if they released a new handheld that shared many core concepts with the Switch, they'd also be releasing a handheld that shared many core concepts with the PSP go, so they wouldn't be copying Nintendo, they would be evolving technology they already created and released.

That's it.

Also, the PSP sold over 80 million consoles, and was clearly a successful platform, how on earth can you credit Nintendo as the first to do this concept successfully?



HoangNhatAnh on 12 January 2018
potato_hamster said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

If Nintendo Switch failed, pretty sure you all won't mention this. So because the tech and the cost didn't enable it yet, so it count? By your logic, I can say Nintendo already planed all their systems from 50 years ago but the tech and the cost didn't exist so they can't make them become relevant. And as of now, no matter who think about it first, Nintendo is the first one do it and success. And Sony one is digital only, right?

I mentioned this after the Switch was announced, so I'm not sure why you think the success of the Switch has anything to do with my comment.

Again, my point was that Sony has already made a console that shared many core concepts with the Switch, so if they released a new handheld that shared many core concepts with the Switch, they'd also be releasing a handheld that shared many core concepts with the PSP go, so they wouldn't be copying Nintendo, they would be evolving technology they already created and released.

That's it.

Also, the PSP sold over 80 million consoles, and was clearly a successful platform, how on earth can you credit Nintendo as the first to do this concept successfully?

Successful with the best selling game on psp is MHP 3rd in JP with only 4,9 mil. PSP sold over 80 million, that number sales of games is not good by any mean. PSP can connect to TV but not dock and not get over 25% power boost in CPU, GPU, fps and resolution when dock either. Nintendo is the one made a gaming handheld with touch screen like DS before Sony came out with Vita. So in this case, Sony didn't copy, right?



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HoangNhatAnh on 12 January 2018
potato_hamster said:
HoangNhatAnh said:

All SNES VC games Nintendo put on New 3ds run perfectly at 60fps, i only say what i saw.  Nintendo didn't put other SNES games on New 3ds so i can't say anything about that. And you said New 3ds can't run all SNES games, right? So why waste the effort for 3ds - a quite weaker hardware in every way? I asked you about psp because 3ds is superior to SNES and it can run SNES VC games like you said, so PSP is a lot more modern and stronger than GBA in every way too. 

All SNES VG games play on the SNES9X emulator for the base 3DS perfectly at 60fps. So if that's your sample size, the SNES9X emulator for the 3DS is just as good as Nintendo's for the N3DS. I never said the New 3DS can't run all SNES games. I said we do not know if it can.

So, you think the PSP released in 2004 attempting to emulate games from a platform released in 2001 (GBA) is a fair comparison to the 3DS released in 2011 attempting to play games from a platform released in 1990 (SNES). I think that says all that needs to be said about how you don't understand this as well as you think you do.

Yeah because psp is 2 generations ahead GBA, it is a ps2 portable. DS can run all GBA games, why PSP (a generation ahead DS) can't?



SegataSanshiro on 12 January 2018
potato_hamster said:
Genos8 said:

I don't see a PS Witch (that's how I'm gonna call it) succeeding if it exists just to copy. Videogames need their own identity. Burn the witch!

So like if Sony made a handheld game console, and had a dockable base that displayed the screen on a TV, and you could use separate controllers with the console so you could keep the handheld docked to a base on your TV, and play with a controller on your couch, or just stand the console up and play with a controller - that would be copying Nintendo?

Because if so, Sony "copied" Nintendo with the PSP Go in 2009. Here it is in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by82mKVEeBw&ytbChannel=Game%20Tech%20Reviews

Sony just didn't stick them all in one box.

Sony did copy the SEGA Nomad from 1995 as did Nintendo. Vectrex used analog sticks before N64. Thing is Nintendo did it better. iPod wasn't first but sure was better than a 1998 Rio MP3 player.  Microsoft had a tablet in 2002 but iPad was a better experience to use in 2010.



potato_hamster on 12 January 2018
HoangNhatAnh said:
potato_hamster said:

I mentioned this after the Switch was announced, so I'm not sure why you think the success of the Switch has anything to do with my comment.

Again, my point was that Sony has already made a console that shared many core concepts with the Switch, so if they released a new handheld that shared many core concepts with the Switch, they'd also be releasing a handheld that shared many core concepts with the PSP go, so they wouldn't be copying Nintendo, they would be evolving technology they already created and released.

That's it.

Also, the PSP sold over 80 million consoles, and was clearly a successful platform, how on earth can you credit Nintendo as the first to do this concept successfully?

Successful with the best selling game on psp is MHP 3rd in JP with only 4,9 mil. PSP sold over 80 million, that number sales of games is not good by any mean. PSP can connect to TV but not dock and not get over 25% power boost in CPU, GPU, fps and resolution when dock either. Nintendo is the one made a gaming handheld with touch screen like DS before Sony came out with Vita. So in this case, Sony didn't copy, right?

So now we're going to measure success by the highest selling game? By that metric the Wii U was a resounding success, but a handheld that sold over five times as much wasn't. Sounds like a terrible metric to me.

The PSP has a dock that allows it to connect to a TV, and it actually has a boost that makes it go from 222mHz to 333 mHz, which is a 50% increase. So there's that. This performance increase can be used to improve FPS, and other in-game improvements.

And why are we bringing up touch screens? I'm not accusing Nintendo of copying Sony anywhere. You keep arguing against points I never made. Please stop that.



potato_hamster on 12 January 2018
HoangNhatAnh said:
potato_hamster said:

All SNES VG games play on the SNES9X emulator for the base 3DS perfectly at 60fps. So if that's your sample size, the SNES9X emulator for the 3DS is just as good as Nintendo's for the N3DS. I never said the New 3DS can't run all SNES games. I said we do not know if it can.

So, you think the PSP released in 2004 attempting to emulate games from a platform released in 2001 (GBA) is a fair comparison to the 3DS released in 2011 attempting to play games from a platform released in 1990 (SNES). I think that says all that needs to be said about how you don't understand this as well as you think you do.

Yeah because psp is 2 generations ahead GBA, it is a ps2 portable. DS can run all GBA games, why PSP (a generation ahead DS) can't?

The PSP is not two generations ahead. It is not a portable PS2. Their hardware is almost nothing alike, and you cannot draw direct comparisons between the two.

The DS has GBA hardware in it. It does not emulate GBA games. It plays them natively. The PSP doesn't have GBA hardware in it. It does have to emulate GBA games using emulators made by fans in their fair time. This is a terrible, terrible comparison.

Your arguments are becoming more and more and more nonsensical.



potato_hamster on 12 January 2018
SegataSanshiro said:
potato_hamster said:

So like if Sony made a handheld game console, and had a dockable base that displayed the screen on a TV, and you could use separate controllers with the console so you could keep the handheld docked to a base on your TV, and play with a controller on your couch, or just stand the console up and play with a controller - that would be copying Nintendo?

Because if so, Sony "copied" Nintendo with the PSP Go in 2009. Here it is in action.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=by82mKVEeBw&ytbChannel=Game%20Tech%20Reviews

Sony just didn't stick them all in one box.

Sony did copy the SEGA Nomad from 1995 as did Nintendo. Vectrex used analog sticks before N64. Thing is Nintendo did it better. iPod wasn't first but sure was better than a 1998 Rio MP3 player.  Microsoft had a tablet in 2002 but iPad was a better experience to use in 2010.

So by that logic if Sony makes a near identical console to the Nintendo Switch, but "does it better", and sells twice as many,  then they clearly should never be given crap for copying Nintendo, right?