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TomaTito said:

I read it as something that was lost in translation when the word "like" was used.
But the email they wrote it said fond instead. A cultural misunderstanding?

Well, "fond of children" definitely doesn't give a good impression



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StarOcean said:
It's Valve's website, what they say goes. Pedophilia should not be tolerated in any way. Honestly Valve should have had it to where they track this games purchases and report them to authorities. That being said, depends on how much you want controlled and regulated or not.

Somehow that moral outrage in your words and your avatar picture really confuse me.

Report customers to authorities for purchasing a game on their platform? 

Wow... just wow...



Barkley said:
Now if this wasn't a visual novel there'd be no issue. A live-action film with the following description would be fine:

"A film that aims to raise social awareness of child and school related social issues through a story about four troubled heroines who, under unexpected circumstances, join forces with a young hapless teacher to fight against the evil forces that mean to exploit children."

Visual Novels (and to a lesser extent anime) just have a very seedy reputation in the west.

I think one of the problems might be that according to the character profile that same 'young hapeless teacher' they 'join forces with' has a 'severe lolita complex' and went as far as to 'install cameras in the school'. Lolita is literally a book about a pedophile praying on the titular heroine, so don't try to tell me that 'lolita complex' is anything else than a cute way of saying pedophile.

This discription reads like the discription for a harem manga (especially the 'young hapeless teacher' part) with a phychologocal loli twist. And the aesthetic they're using is leaning heavily on lolicon and harem tropes as well.

Now, that doesn't mean it has to be bad necessarily. This could be a brilliant and subversive visual novel that uses the sexualization of it's young characters in a revolutionary and smart way, but seeing that valve played the game and deemed the primary audience to be pedophiles, I doubt it.

Ultimately, it's Valves call. They've seen and apparently actually played the game and decided that it is not the kind of content they want to distribute. They should by all means spend some actual manpower on curating the flow of shitty asset flips that comes their way every day and not only act upon absulute worst case scenarios imo, but that's still their prerogative.



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Nautilus said:
StarOcean said:
It's Valve's website, what they say goes. Pedophilia should not be tolerated in any way. Honestly Valve should have had it to where they track this games purchases and report them to authorities. That being said, depends on how much you want controlled and regulated or not.

But that is a tricky thing to judge.Where do you cross the line between people that are phedophiles, and ones that simply like the cute girl asthetic, without having any sexual connotation to it?(The same reasoning would apply to games and animes)

As long as there is no explicit sexual imagery or heavy suggestions of pedophily on the game, I say its fair game.Otherwise its just Valve censoring what is essentially, in my view, different takes on a subject due to different cultures.

But one thing I will agree with you is that this is Valve service.If they dont want it because they dont like it, then its their right to remove it.

Well, given that there are many games still on Steam with "cute girl aesthetic" I think we aren't talking about that. This is a game about a 4th grade teacher who, in the summary, sets up cameras in bathrooms to prey on his 4th grade class. But no, that's just "cute girl aesthetic"



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Chazore said:
Valve's store, Valve has the say on what goes and doesn't go there.

That being said, I don't think Steam needs to be filled with asset flipping trash, but I also don't think it needs to be filled with the game described in the article either.

The dev has other outlets to go to, maybe they should try GoG and see how they respond (I imagine if they didn't respond in kind, you'd be quick to post about that too).

Steam is still a great platform for developers. Just because you want every single nsfw/slightly nsfw game under the sun to appear on their store, doesn't mean it has to. You don't even buy from Steam, let alone game on PC anymore, and yet you're always one to quickly post negative news when it comes to that platform.

Your rant would be much more believable, if this game wasn't Safe for work. Rated 0. Nothing sexual at all.



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Mnementh said:
Chazore said:
Valve's store, Valve has the say on what goes and doesn't go there.

That being said, I don't think Steam needs to be filled with asset flipping trash, but I also don't think it needs to be filled with the game described in the article either.

The dev has other outlets to go to, maybe they should try GoG and see how they respond (I imagine if they didn't respond in kind, you'd be quick to post about that too).

Steam is still a great platform for developers. Just because you want every single nsfw/slightly nsfw game under the sun to appear on their store, doesn't mean it has to. You don't even buy from Steam, let alone game on PC anymore, and yet you're always one to quickly post negative news when it comes to that platform.

Your rant would be much more believable, if this game wasn't Safe for work. Rated 0. Nothing sexual at all.

The last part was talking about other VN's, not the current one within the OP.

The second line below the first was talking about the VN in the OP.



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I really have no idea if this game is psychologically good or bad ... and neither does anyone else here, regardless of all the absolute and confident judgements.

"We think this novel’s core audience is pedophiles," is a meaningless non-answer, though. The core audience of Pokemon could be pedophiles, for all we know. Is the game sexually exploitative of children or not? That's the answer that matters.

One thing I'm sure of, though, is that Steam is way too powerful. They have far too much control over PC gaming and that needs to end. Valve can be crappy at times and there are too many people who get defensive over them like they're one of the console manufacturers instead of calling them out for it.