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Otter on 19 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
Otter said:

Then again, why would a developer draw a frames of a 9 years old pointed up at their crotch whilst the character is sat staring down at the camera? You said such a thing is a illegal in real life, I said why would someone impose such a gaze on a virtual character? For the same pleasure they would do it in real life, objectification.

And in your second point you just conceded that you wouldn't care if it was sexualising virtual children so we can end our discussion there. My point was Valve correctly spotted it as fetishistic since you guys are acting like its innocent with no sexual gaze. 

And when are you going to turn yourself to jail time for all the pixel people you killed?

Did I mention jail and criminalisation? Did I say the players of this game should be arrested? Funny how quickly you've moved the goal post. Glad you've conceded that your initial argument was faux. 



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DonFerrari on 19 December 2017
Otter said:
DonFerrari said:

And when are you going to turn yourself to jail time for all the pixel people you killed?

Did I mention jail and criminalisation? Did I say the players of this game should be arrested? Funny how quickly you've moved the goal post. Glad you've conceded that your initial argument was faux. 

So do games that have shooting incentivate murders?



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fatslob-:O on 19 December 2017

I can't even believe the people in this thread promoting censorship. Do you guys actually want a full surveillance state where no privacy exists ?!



Chazore on 19 December 2017

What one country allows, doesn't mean the other has to. Trying to tear down one wall, while saying we should tear down the rest isn't going to work at all. it will never work with with different the countries operate and think.

Also, since we're here and only a few have seen the actual trailer:


Fun for the whole family. 

inb4 gun violence countermeasure, because that's exactly what this VN is all about /s.



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Otter on 19 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
Otter said:

Did I mention jail and criminalisation? Did I say the players of this game should be arrested? Funny how quickly you've moved the goal post. Glad you've conceded that your initial argument was faux. 

So do games that have shooting incentivate murders?

Comprehension is key. This was never my argument lol 



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Birimbau on 19 December 2017
Chazore said:
What one country allows, doesn't mean the other has to. Trying to tear down one wall, while saying we should tear down the rest isn't going to work at all. it will never work with with different the countries operate and think.

Also, since we're here and only a few have seen the actual trailer:

Looks like To Love-ru darkness manga art. The best lolis of an ecchi manga ever.

 

http://mangapark.me/manga/to-love-ru-darkness/s1/v1/c3/2



DetectiveKaito on 19 December 2017
Otter said:
DetectiveKaito said:

Why does that matter though? You could argue that Hatred's target audience is serial killers.

Games are a form of art, and blaming them for events that happen in real life is stupid. People are responsible for their own actions.

Remember when people said that video games make kids violent? Everyone knows that's bullshit.

No one here is making these arguments. If we can first all be honest about the fact that it is sexualising its 9-12 year old protagonists, we can then move onto the discussion about whether those experiences should be sold to the public and the implications of that. Valve obviously have their own ethical stance which is why the game is not available on their platform. All publishers do the same whether it be games based on hate speech or depicting extreme violence against kids.

The first distinction between generally violent games and this, is that violent content (fantasy or not) is not illegal, child pornography is. So again, Valve are not acting irrational or unfair in wanting to distance themselves from this game which is explicitly targeting such a demographic. The developers can sell their "art" somewhere else as of now. 

Further more when you play your typical violent game, you don't think "wow, I bet the creators and primary audience of this game are serial killers" but you if you play a game centred on the sexualisation children (Watch the trailer) its kind of hard not to think "I bet the creator and primary audience for this game are people who want to have sex with children". These two things are not the same...

You are right, based on the artwork in the trailer, the game does have sexual implications about these little girls.

Let me remind you that South Park: The Stick of Truth (which is on Steam) has kids getting ass raped, but for some reason it gets a pass.

And another visual novel called Monobeno is also Steam (http://store.steampowered.com/app/758090/Monobeno/), which has similar sexual implications about a loli in the game.

And may I remind you that this game that Steam removed, while it has sexual implications, has no nudity or sex in it whatsoever, so technically it's not porn.

Your last paragraph is honestly subjective.



MajorMalfunction on 19 December 2017
Barkley said:
Now if this wasn't a visual novel there'd be no issue. A live-action film with the following description would be fine:

"A film that aims to raise social awareness of child and school related social issues through a story about four troubled heroines who, under unexpected circumstances, join forces with a young hapless teacher to fight against the evil forces that mean to exploit children."

Visual Novels (and to a lesser extent anime) just have a very seedy reputation in the west.

It's too bad too. I watched Gunslinger Girl and loved every minute of it. It's about near death girls who get a second chance at life, but are turned into ruthless cybernetic assassins fighting against a domestic terrorism group called the Five Republics Faction, and to a lesser extent, the Italian Mafia. It's amazing, and it's sad that some people won't give it a chance. The people who worked on it did Monster and then Death Note. It's pedigree material that should be schlocky. You can watch the first 2 episodes legally on Funimation's website here: https://www.funimation.com/shows/gunslinger-girl/fratello-siblings/uncut/?lang=english

Rant and plugging over.



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fatslob-:O on 19 December 2017
MajorMalfunction said:

It's too bad too. I watched Gunslinger Girl and loved every minute of it. It's about near death girls who get a second chance at life, but are turned into ruthless cybernetic assassins fighting against a domestic terrorism group called the Five Republics Faction, and to a lesser extent, the Italian Mafia. It's amazing, and it's sad that some people won't give it a chance. The people who worked on it did Monster and then Death Note. It's pedigree material that should be schlocky. You can watch the first 2 episodes legally on Funimation's website here: https://www.funimation.com/shows/gunslinger-girl/fratello-siblings/uncut/?lang=english

Rant and plugging over.

Shouldn't most of the credit go to the creators of the original source material itself all of which were derived from the manga ? 



AlfredoTurkey on 19 December 2017
DonFerrari said:

Their motive being?

To get off looking at little kids? Pedophiles don't just get their rocks off looking at naked kids. A lot of them hang out around playgrounds, watching them play because it arouses them.