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Nymeria said:
superchunk said:

2. Luke's training in force before he started doing basic stuff was minimal as well. Basically identical where they both were just guided to 'use the force', reach out with feelings, etc. There is nothing crazy here. Her fighting Kylo in the last movie was not force specific, but a whole lot of other items. She demonstrated in that movie that she can fight very well. Anakin's pod racing proves that without training force can be used to greatly improve their reactions. On top of that, as I pointed out above, Kylo is emotionally and mentally unstable. He just killed his father in a significantly powerful emotional action. He also was wounded in such a way that very likely would have killed or at least taken out anyone else. Clearly all of that was a major factor in her ability to very briefly get an edge on him. She is very powerful, just as Yoda was or other past powerful Jedi. There is nothing she's doing that is out of the realm of possibility for her. Just people being narrow-minded and not following the full story. I honestly think that if she was male, there would be less bitching. Damn good to see girl power in this movie. Silly to conclude there could be no super powerful female jedi. Girls need superheros too.

This statement and attitude are insulting to women.  It is not girl power that is the issue, it is bad characterization and lazy writing that undercut Rey.  If all you need to care about a character is a superficial trait that is a narrow minded viewpoint.  I loved Leia, Luke, and Han for their distinct personalities and skills that aided them in their struggles, not race or sex.  

Growing up two of my favorite movie series were Alien and Aliens alongside Terminator 1&2.  Both had women I connected with because it didn't shy from their challenges giving cheap shortcuts.  They were women, and aspects such as motherhood played a role in their stories, but they weren't defined by it.  In real life women have struggles all the time and are not bailed out by being chosen ones who can do anything with ease.  Condescending to us with lesser heroes who can never fail or lose because we're so delicate is off putting.

If you want to understand how patronizing this is, think of the times older people try to be "hip" using internet memes to cringe effect.  You cannot force a character on people, it is the "Poochy Effect".

I'll say the same thing I said in response to a post on twitter -

People think these 1 dimensional super-powered female characters with no flaws is somehow "empowering" but I just see it as blatantly pandering & patronizing. Women want relatable, real, and complex characters w/strengths & weaknesses just like us guys do, at least I'd assume :/



 

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Goodnightmoon said:
Lawlight said:

TLJ has stopped falling yet - 7.8 vs. JL's 7.2 despite SW massive number of fanboys is not "way better". And the percentage of people who liked TLJ is lower than those 2 movies.

A 7.8 is quite higher than a 7.2 and a 6.8 no matter how you want to spin it, in any case half of those fanboys giving the movie extremelly low scores as a consequence of a kiddy overreaction are the cause this movie is not above 8 as it should, thankfully critics paint a way more accurate picture here:

Murder on the Orient Express - Metascore: 52
Justice League - Metascore: 45 
The Last Jedi - Metascore: 86

I think by now we can safely discard critics reviews.

 

The Last Jedi - User metascore - 4.8

Justice League - 6.9

Murder on the Orient Express - 6.3



Lawlight said:
Goodnightmoon said:

A 7.8 is quite higher than a 7.2 and a 6.8 no matter how you want to spin it, in any case half of those fanboys giving the movie extremelly low scores as a consequence of a kiddy overreaction are the cause this movie is not above 8 as it should, thankfully critics paint a way more accurate picture here:

Murder on the Orient Express - Metascore: 52
Justice League - Metascore: 45 
The Last Jedi - Metascore: 86

I think by now we can safely discard critics reviews.

 

The Last Jedi - User metascore - 4.8

Justice League - 6.9

Murder on the Orient Express - 6.3

Dude, this is ridiculous, you perfectly know the user score in metacritic is way less reliable than Imdb, TLJ has like 4k user votes in metacritic while there are over 165k votes in IMDB, what is the better sample to you? The one with almost 50 times less votes? lol

And no, critics are totally right here, you usually have a pretty questionable taste in basically everything so it makes sense you never ever ever agree with them, since they know something about cinema unlike you. Justice League is laugably bad just as Batman VS Superman was (literally a Razzie contender for worst movie of 2016 and the winner of worst screenplay among others) yet you totally loved it and defended it. Murder on the Orient Express on the other hand is the perfect example of how to do an extremelly mediocre film of a great book.

Last edited by Goodnightmoon - on 21 December 2017

gtotheunit91 said:
Also the Finn/Rose story line was absolutely pointless!!!! It could have been removed and saved 30 minutes off the movie. She was such a one dimensional, generic character that only pissed me off more with the super awkward kiss. Just the whole casino planet and Benecio Del Toro's hacker character, everything led to NOTHING in that story arc!

This... the movie has many flaws but for me this was the WORST of all. Made me cringe most of their scenes. In the very close future people in the net will create edited versions of the movie without finn/rose and it will be even easier to realize how unecessary it was... The whole casino scene was terrible and pointless.

Rose was the worst, worst of all, terrible and forced, like if they needed somehow to have an asian character. 

Btw I agree with OP list. And I actually really liked episode VII.



Vincoletto said:
gtotheunit91 said:
Also the Finn/Rose story line was absolutely pointless!!!! It could have been removed and saved 30 minutes off the movie. She was such a one dimensional, generic character that only pissed me off more with the super awkward kiss. Just the whole casino planet and Benecio Del Toro's hacker character, everything led to NOTHING in that story arc!

This... the movie has many flaws but for me this was the WORST of all. Made me cringe most of their scenes. In the very close future people in the net will create edited versions of the movie without finn/rose and it will be even easier to realize how unecessary it was... The whole casino scene was terrible and pointless.

Rose was the worst, worst of all, terrible and forced, like if they needed somehow to have an asian character. 

Btw I agree with OP list. And I actually really liked episode VII.

It was kind of pointless, but not terrible at all, there is a huge difference between pointless and terrible. Also it is the only part of the movie where you can see a populated city, the rest are desertic places, so I actually think it was neccessary to have something like that and it was interesting to see how the bourgousie of the galaxy was, it gives a bit of a politic and social tone to the movie when you realize why are they so rich, it does adds more than it detracts, the hacker character was cool (even if very underutilized) and the scenes were well done, to say it was terrible is just an hyperbole.

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So then like the farse awakens.
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Waiting for the day someone turns Episodes 7-9 into one good re-edit.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KJJqYoMxG7o



Well for all the flaws in this film, I still enjoyed it. I see where everyone is coming from and it is very obvious that with each and every new episode that was made after the ROTJ the storytelling has been dumbed down further and further. I expect Episode IX to be nothing more than "Action in Space."

With all that said, at least the director didn't do whole "Nose bleeding from  too much use of mental powers(the force)" trope. I consider that to be the worst movie trope of all time, even worse than the wilhelm scream.

Last edited by Raistline - on 22 December 2017

Looks like BOM is expecting a 65% fall from last week. That's much worse than even the recent poorly received JL movie. That will put it at ~$367M, when for the same time TFA only fell 40% and was at $540M, a difference of $173M.  That gap going to get much worse. 

Was it worth it Disney? Did you sell enough toys to make up for a disappointing box office return? Doubt it.