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IkePoR said:
sergiodaly said:

Did you read my first statement? Lol at your camera phone argument, go out side at midnight and film me a movie of a airplane and post it on YouTube... I want to see those amazing night lighting settings... Sure thing boss, a flash... Those 2 leds that can't  illuminate a car 50 feet away can illuminate a flying object in the sky mlies away?

For the next questions, ask yourself this, and the answer to this questions is the answer for your questions. what would humans do if they would find life in a planet in the nearest solar system to our and technology was ready to a flight there? Would it be important if they were ahead or behind technologically? After the first observation from far what would be the next step? If they were like we were in the prehistoric time, do you think engagement would be beneficial to us? Would you engage a primitive and violent kind just because? If you can elaborate a good answer to these questions you have yourself good answers to your questions... 

I said alien.  Not UFO.  I don't care about what you see in the sky, show me an alien.

At the end of the day, that's the argument.  Show some evidence.  Because the absence of evidence in this case is embarrassingly weak for anyone who believes it.

Ok. The thread was about ufo, and you mention alien as part of a quote, didn't realize you would only be satisfied by a photo of a alien instead of a ufo (the thread subject) 

My point still stands, the lack of photographic evidence is proof of nothing. Besides, photography only exists in 0.0000000000000000000000000001% (less actually but you get my point) of our existence in this planet, boosting the lack of evidence as irrelevant. The point is, we would only have evidence if they let us have it. I don't believe they ever come here, but I don't base my belief in weak arguments like lack of photography evidence. 



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deskpro2k3 said:
Hundreds of ex government employees have come forward with proof and people still don't believe. They don't want to admit that the world doesn't revolve around them. According to scientists The NY Times spoke to, they actually discovered previously unknown metals in their research of alleged crash site materials, stuff they hinted was not of this world.

"Why won't Aliens just talk to us?" Well, why don't you stop to have a conversation with a beetle? Maybe they don't want nothing to do with us since we can't even be civil with each other. Or they're just watching and waiting.

Boy, I would love to see those "proofs". You are talking about scientists here. If there actually was solid, verifiable proof then we would have long reached a consensus in the scientific community.

If things aren't accepted by the majority of scientists then we can conclude that there is nothing conclusive about those "proofs". And scientists are gonna be the last people on this planet denying facts.



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sergiodaly said:
IkePoR said:

I said alien.  Not UFO.  I don't care about what you see in the sky, show me an alien.

At the end of the day, that's the argument.  Show some evidence.  Because the absence of evidence in this case is embarrassingly weak for anyone who believes it.

Ok. The thread was about ufo, and you mention alien as part of a quote, didn't realize you would only be satisfied by a photo of a alien instead of a ufo (the thread subject) 

My point still stands, the lack of photographic evidence is proof of nothing. Besides, photography only exists in 0.0000000000000000000000000001% (less actually but you get my point) of our existence in this planet, boosting the lack of evidence as irrelevant. The point is, we would only have evidence if they let us have it. I don't believe they ever come here, but I don't base my belief in weak arguments like lack of photography evidence. 

Notice how I don't mention photography in that last post.  Evidence exists in a million more ways than still images and video.  I used video and pictures in my last posts anecdotally, because that would be the first step of investigation - several people presenting photogenic evidence of something abnormal. 

So again, evidence.  Show me an alien.  Living in your attic, a severed limb, a piece of a ship or equipment, a dead one in a field.  SOMETHING to go off of besides tinfoil and "da gov-a-ment."



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vivster said:
Zoombael said:

 

Is it logical to take the human perspective as a benchmark? Actually, we ourselves have located a number of possible candidates for life outside of our solar systems. In this very narrow time span we do space exploration. We, the product of hot monkey love. To think what other, more advanced forms of consciousness could achieve.

 

I'm not speculating. May it be hoaxes, very strange weather phenomena, aliens, or something else entirely. Personally i think its ignorant to fixate on extraterrestrial biological life traveling in spaceships ala Enterprise and E.T.

Ignoring our current understanding of physics leads nowhere. We can only assess things with our current understanding. Even if we've been visited by aliens in some form we cannot comprehend right now it's still absolutely meaningless. If it cannot fit in our current understanding it might as well have never happened at all.

There are some very smart people in this world pushing our understanding of the universe, but until we make that next leap it's moot for regular people like us to contemplate about what might as well be magic. An alien could be hovering right now above my head but unless I actually understand that there is an alien presence it might as well not be there.

I hope I'm getting my point across, getting a bit philosophical now.

Im not ignoring anything, and it doesnt matter what it means in case whatever kind of aliens, extradimensional, demonic or whatever beings taking a stroll in the hemisphere of earth.

 

It was about your 99.99% certainty that aliens etc. never, not once, visited earth. What you re basically saying, the human race will never have a closer look  at life on other planets, not to speak of multicellular organisms and that we are at the end of the line regarding space exploration tech. Not in ten years or ten thousand years.

 

 

But i have to admit, after further examination and gathering a lil more info about this short snippet of video footage... im inclined to believe that this rotating thing is nothing out of the ordinary and man made. When the Russians had a speedy Sunburn with high maneuverability at the end of the 70s, who knows what military secrets are there 20 years later. 

 

The bigger mystery to me now: Why did the Pentagon make this video public.



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Zoombael said:
vivster said:

Ignoring our current understanding of physics leads nowhere. We can only assess things with our current understanding. Even if we've been visited by aliens in some form we cannot comprehend right now it's still absolutely meaningless. If it cannot fit in our current understanding it might as well have never happened at all.

There are some very smart people in this world pushing our understanding of the universe, but until we make that next leap it's moot for regular people like us to contemplate about what might as well be magic. An alien could be hovering right now above my head but unless I actually understand that there is an alien presence it might as well not be there.

I hope I'm getting my point across, getting a bit philosophical now.

Im not ignoring anything, and it doesnt matter what it means in case whatever kind of aliens, extradimensional, demonic or whatever beings taking a stroll in the hemisphere of earth.

 

It was about your 99.99% certainty that aliens etc. never, not once, visited earth. What you re basically saying, the human race will never have a closer look  at life on other planets, not to speak of multicellular organisms and that we are at the end of the line regarding space exploration tech. Not in ten years or ten thousand years.

 

 

But i have to admit, after further examination and gathering a lil more info about this short snippet of video footage... im inclined to believe that this rotating thing is nothing out of the ordinary and man made. When the Russians had a speedy Sunburn with high maneuverability at the end of the 70s, who knows what military secrets are there 20 years later. 

 

The bigger mystery to me now: Why did the Pentagon make this video public.

My statement isn't saying 99.99%. I'm saying 99.9999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999999...%, which equates to 100% in common sense. I don't deny the possibility I'm just saying that the possibility is small enough to ignore it with a scientific degree of probability.

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Seeing something and actually knowing what it is are different things. I wouldn't expect military types to know or know how to identify what they are seeing without qualified help.

Releasing the information just leads to more pointless speculation from uneducated individuals.

So... A big fat: "Meh..." From me. At worst it could be a spy drone from another country. Most likely it's just an optic illusion.



Nem said:
Seeing something and actually knowing what it is are different things. I wouldn't expect military types to know or know how to identify what they are seeing without qualified help.

Releasing the information just leads to more pointless speculation from uneducated individuals.

So... A big fat: "Meh..." From me. At worst it could be a spy drone from another country. Most likely it's just an optic illusion.

What kind of optical illusion would that be? What we see is the (hot) heat signature of an object flying at high speeds, tracked and recorded by an infrared camera.



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Zoombael said:
Nem said:
Seeing something and actually knowing what it is are different things. I wouldn't expect military types to know or know how to identify what they are seeing without qualified help.

Releasing the information just leads to more pointless speculation from uneducated individuals.

So... A big fat: "Meh..." From me. At worst it could be a spy drone from another country. Most likely it's just an optic illusion.

What kind of optical illusion would that be? What we see is the (hot) heat signature of an object flying at high speeds, tracked and recorded by an infrared camera.

Unless that heat signature also sends morse code that it's actually an alien ship I think it's wise to not jump instantly to the least likely conclusion. And yes, aliens are always the least likely conclusion. Just above pure magic, which is never the conclusion.



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I remember once, when me and my girlfriend were on holidays in Spain, just chilling at the pool, watching the night sky, we spotted something going slowly across the sky. She asked me what do I think it was and at fist I thought it was a plane, but because I couldn't see any flashing lights I thought it must have been a satellite and that's what I told her. Few moments later, this thing, which was going from west to east direction at constant speed, all the sudden stopped and in the blink of an eye, shoot off up towards north, travelling good 20 degrees, before completely disappearing. I asked her if she saw the same thing or was I just seeing things and she was as much freaked out as me. Obviously we've had no idea what it was and I'm not even trying to attempt to explain it, but all I know, it was eerie as hell and it changed my perspective on UFO's (not necessarily on aliens).



Kristof81 said:
I remember once, when me and my girlfriend were on holidays in Spain, just chilling at the pool, watching the night sky, we spotted something going slowly across the sky. She asked me what do I think it was and at fist I thought it was a plane, but because I couldn't see any flashing lights I thought it must have been a satellite and that's what I told her. Few moments later, this thing, which was going from west to east direction at constant speed, all the sudden stopped and in the blink of an eye, shoot off up towards north, travelling good 20 degrees, before completely disappearing. I asked her if she saw the same thing or was I just seeing things and she was as much freaked out as me. Obviously we've had no idea what it was and I'm not even trying to attempt to explain it, but all I know, it was eerie as hell and it changed my perspective on UFO's (not necessarily on aliens).

Obviously just a weather balloon.



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