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I find it sad that my fellow Americans are fighting to take away freedom, instead of fighting the free market with their spending. The government should not have to regulate the internet, people should have a backbone, and fight the corperations if they take advantage.

Taking away freedom and replacing it with regulations is a terrible road to go down.



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It will be the 'Great Disappointment' of this generation - hysterical people predicted that the end is near and will be shocked tomorrow to see that the internet will still work, even if some power-streamers will pay a buck more for their 4K netflixing eventually.

Who is more likely to bring censorship? A multitude of independent landline, mobile and satellite internet companies or a single government that finds something offensive to regulate away.

Remember that the FCC censors the word 'fuck' on broadcast TV because it is indecent - you want that institution to set the rules for the internet?

 

Edit: also this, top troll, got everybody ajitated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhT6H6pRWg

Last edited by numberwang - on 14 December 2017

specifically the republican house



numberwang said:

It will be the 'Great Disappointment' of this generation - hysterical people predicted that the end is near and will be shocked tomorrow to see that the internet will still work, even if some power-streamers will pay a buck more for their 4K netflixing eventually.

Who is more likely to bring censorship? A multitude of independent landline, mobile and satellite internet companies or a single government that finds something offensive to regulate away.

Remember that the FCC censors the word 'fuck' on broadcast TV because it is indecent - you want that institution to set the rules for the internet?

 

Edit: also this, top troll, got everybody ajitated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhT6H6pRWg

What the fuck did I just watch? Please tell me that's not real



                  

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numberwang said:

It will be the 'Great Disappointment' of this generation - hysterical people predicted that the end is near and will be shocked tomorrow to see that the internet will still work, even if some power-streamers will pay a buck more for their 4K netflixing eventually.

Who is more likely to bring censorship? A multitude of independent landline, mobile and satellite internet companies or a single government that finds something offensive to regulate away.

Remember that the FCC censors the word 'fuck' on broadcast TV because it is indecent - you want that institution to set the rules for the internet?

 

Edit: also this, top troll, got everybody ajitated.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LFhT6H6pRWg

I hope that video gets more down votes than Justin Biebers "Baby" video, Infinite Warfare  trailer, and the Ghostbusters reboot trailer combined.

 

Wait I got an idea: does anybody personally know Pewdiepie because if they do can you ask him to make a video asking his followers to make it the most dislike video of all of Youtube?



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As terrible as the US government is, it is nice to see that they get something right once in a while. NN is government overreach, plain and simple. I know big businesses would like to keep it around to protect their market positions. But, American people and small/medium businesses, as well as start-ups hoping to become big businesses, are far better off with this big business protection scheme.



VAMatt said:
As terrible as the US government is, it is nice to see that they get something right once in a while. NN is government overreach, plain and simple. I know big businesses would like to keep it around to protect their market positions. But, American people and small/medium businesses, as well as start-ups hoping to become big businesses, are far better off with this big business protection scheme.

How does the lack of NN help small businesses? And how do big businesses use NN to protect market positions?



fielding88 said:
VAMatt said:
As terrible as the US government is, it is nice to see that they get something right once in a while. NN is government overreach, plain and simple. I know big businesses would like to keep it around to protect their market positions. But, American people and small/medium businesses, as well as start-ups hoping to become big businesses, are far better off with this big business protection scheme.

How does the lack of NN help small businesses? And how do big businesses use NN to protect market positions?

I'm not sure how OP can make those statements while anti-NN actors are also big businesses trying to protect their markets and are hands deep in the federal government.

EricHiggin said:

The last time the farmers around here really needed to fix a market problem, they went about it the correct way for years, and got absolutely nowhere. They then tried to involve the media somewhat, but that was like pulling teeth and it didn't help much with the poor media execution. Eventually it got to the point where the politically right way wasn't going to work, so a last ditch effort, plan Z was put into effect. They all got together and picked a busy weekend, and drove their tractors down the highway side by side, as fast as they could, which isn't fast at all, blocking rush hour traffic for the entire Greater Toronto Area, which is like 6 million people.

That got the attention they wanted, and eventually led to a proper deal fixing the problem, but also led to quite a bit of hatred from the cities. The media even started bashing food prices constantly making the farmers look bad. Thing is, the problem had to do with tobacco, and the media and people were bashing and hurting the fruit and vegetable farmers mostly. Which isn't surprising because instead of those people realizing there was obviously a major problem, getting informed, and understanding why it happened, most only knew that they had been held up and were pissed off, end of story. While the city people weren't the direct cause of the problem, they were part of it indirectly, especially their media influence.

Either way, there were certainly many tensions for quite a long time between the urban and rural people, and it has overall led to things continuing to get worse for the farmers. Due to the backlash, the farmers don't dare try and cross that line again, which is a problem in itself, because when there are new major problems, which there have been, getting publicity, backing, and change, has been a lost cause. Hence why the country kids are simply just leaving. Being inconvenienced for a couple of days is going to seem like a day at Disney compared to the years of price gouging that may end up occurring eventually.

Yeah, I fear for what the future may have in store, feels like we're going towards a breaking point without any solution.



fielding88 said:
VAMatt said:
As terrible as the US government is, it is nice to see that they get something right once in a while. NN is government overreach, plain and simple. I know big businesses would like to keep it around to protect their market positions. But, American people and small/medium businesses, as well as start-ups hoping to become big businesses, are far better off with this big business protection scheme.

How does the lack of NN help small businesses? And how do big businesses use NN to protect market positions?

Example 1 - I own a small business (I really do).  I'd like to pay for internet service that includes only basic email functionality, and access to a very small number of websites.  My company uses very little bandwidth.  However, under NN, it is illegal for an ISP to offer me service that fits my company's needs.  Instead, I have to get nearly the same service as the company next door that produces video content.  They are constantly uploading to Youtube, sending files to clients, and downloading all kinds of stuff for use in their work.  They need access to the entire WWW, and other stuff.  Unfortunately, I have to subsidize their use.  (This same example applies to my grandma's emailing and news reading subsidizing my heavy bandwidth video streaming and gaming).  

Example 2 - If you can sell me products on a website that consumes less data than Amazon.com, and either Amazon or I had to pay for bandwidth used, you'd have a competitive advantage.  But, with NN, you do not.  In that way, Amazon is protected from competition from fieldazon.com.   Same goes for more efficient search, better compression for video streaming, and a whole host of other things.  NN removes the incentive to innovate.  Innovation is what drives small business. 

In fact, even if Amazon didn't have to pay for bandwidth, but was scared of pissing off the ISPs because the ISPs could choose to charge them, you may be able to work from the other side (Amazon limits data to keep bandwidth use low, but you fly under the radar as a small company, and provide me larger, better quality images, or what have you).  

The underlying point is that government regulations always limit choice.  That's just what regulations do by definition.  I want more choice, and I want other people and businesses to be able to choose what they do, how they serve me, what internet service they want to offer me, etc.  Most people generally agree that consumer choice is good.  But, for some reason, a lot of people want to give the Trump administration sweeping power over the internet, and leave us without choices.  




Leadified said:
fielding88 said:

How does the lack of NN help small businesses? And how do big businesses use NN to protect market positions?

I'm not sure how OP can make those statements while anti-NN actors are also big businesses trying to protect their markets and are hands deep in the federal government.

You're correct that big business is on both sides, and that they all are crony capitalists, in bed with government.  But, given this, it is not clear to me why one would want the Trump administration to have so much control over the internet.  Removal of NN takes it, at least in part, out of government's hands.  That's one fewer boot on the consumers neck.