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Forums - Gaming Discussion - "The Nintendo Switch Is Selling Exactly As Fast As Sony's PS4" - Forbes

 

Do you agree with the article?

Yes, Switch will KILL the PS4! 18 12.95%
 
No, PS4 will remain champion! 74 53.24%
 
Hard to tell right now, time will only tell. 47 33.81%
 
Total:139
DonFerrari said:
 

It may not be impossible but Nintendo didn't support their console at the second half even for Wii. And have no precedence of any other consolemaker being able to have such long tail as Sony did.

This thread will be a hallmark of Nintendo fans overly positive expectations that when not met will accuse others of being negative for saying the sales weren't as high as they expected.

Their problem on WiiU gen by they own admission is their lack of experience deving on the HD world much more than the number of systems.

The Switch is not like any Nintendo console that came before it, including the Wii. It's main premise and concept is a very different animal from the NES -> Wii U.

Like I said, the Switch will be their one and only system going forward. Thus, all of the development that had previously been split between handheld and console are now under one roof. This doesn't just go for 1st party, but 3rd party as well.
That can only work to the Switch's advantage and give it stronger legs than any of Nintendo's previous consoles.

Additionally, it also has the advantage of hardware revisions and upgrades. Nintendo has been revising their handhelds for decades, since the original Game Boy. And thanks to the PS4 Pro and Xbox One X, hardware upgrades are more accepted than ever. So, it's only a matter of time when Nintendo introduces the Switch's equivalent. And when that comes out, you can expect early adopters to upgrade, in addition with those people who have yet to purchase a Switch to see an upgraded model as the opportunity to do so. Extending its legs even further.

Will it have Sony-type legs? I don't think so, but still better than the legs we've seen from most Nintendo systems to date.



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It's Sony vs Sony with their own infographic saying what the PS4 did standalone for it's first full year shipped. Either that graphic is a lie, or Sony has reported shipped too early. Both articles posted are around end October, beginning November. So whatever argument there is, It's Sony that made the misleading infographic here then Lawlight lmao.

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DonFerrari said:

zorg1000 said:

Youre making things up, here are official numbers straight from Sony.

10 million as of Aug 10, 2014

18.5 million as of Jan 4, 2015

So unless PS4 only sold 500k in Aug+Sept+Oct than it didnt sell 8 million during the holidays in 2014.

This site has it at 5.7 million in Nov+Dec but it also has it overtracked by 500k in Aug-Dec.

He is talking about 2013, being around 4M consoles available and sold on Nov+Dec.


Youre wrong and that makes no sense.

go back and read his post he said it sold 8 million in holiday 2014 (what he calls its first real holiday) when the actual number is more like ~5.5 million.



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OTBWY said:
It's Sony vs Sony with their own infographic saying what the PS4 did standalone for it's first full year shipped. Either that graphic is a lie, or Sony has reported shipped too early. Both articles posted are around end October, beginning November.

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the PR team that put together the infograph simply cited their last offcially revealed shipment number and it's pretty likely they didn't have access to newer figures

btw quarterly reports don't come out the day after the period that's reported on is over, Sony releases theirs about 1.5-2 months later - and lying in these reports is a total no-go that can result in collapse of stock value and billion dollar lawsuits from shareholders

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sub-zero-TM said:

PS4 is doomed and it has no gaemz

 

Switch will sell 200m lifetime

I think it will do 1 billion or more, maybe every human being will have a switch soon!



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OTBWY said:
It's Sony vs Sony with their own infographic saying what the PS4 did standalone for it's first full year shipped. Either that graphic is a lie, or Sony has reported shipped too early. Both articles posted are around end October, beginning November.

The infographic was likley made by someone on the social media/PR team, and 13.5m was the most recent official figure as of the PS4's 1 year anniversary. The graphic isn't a lie, just a simplification.

It usually takes a few weeks before a company releases their financial report, which is why the article i gave you is from the end of October (when Sony released theirs). As noted in the article, and highlighted by me, that report ends September 30th. Given the nature of those reports (you do noooot want to lie in those), it's as close to fact as you can get in this type of discussion. It also fits with their later announcement of 18.5m shipped by January 4th 2015.



Bristow9091 said: 
Teeqoz said:

Yeah, people seem to forget this alot. Just check VGC's numbers for tie-ratios. While tie-ratios are on an upward trend, the highest tie-ratio yet is still only 11.7, which was the 360. Ofcourse, this doesn't include digital, so maybe I should have adjusted up a bit, I could see the current gen consoles reach attach rates of up to 15 games per console, including digital titles (but not PS+/GWG titles).

I'm definitely someone who forgets that, I mean, a console generation lasts 6+ years, and knowing that people are buying less than two games per year really baffles me lol, I know I have a lot of PS3 games (Over 200) and I'm currently on around 60 PS4 games (Retail only, not digital, same with PS3) and I know that's considered a lot, but I always assumed that the average would be a lot higher than what it currently is, lol.

The average console buyer does not buy console on day 1. If they did, all console sales would occur then and none in later years.
With a 6 year gen + constant sales, the average console was purchased 3 years in. Or even 4 w/ console sales boost following price drop.
So that means an average # of games purchased per year is not ~2, but more like ~3 or even ~4 games per year. Physical only.
The latter # seems very reasonable for more casual gamer especially considering many also play games on other platforms.
Of course with paid-online service, profitability for Sony is much better than just game sales (even if free games cannibalize some sales).

Lafiel said: 

a holiday close to launch isn't all that effective in pushing an already highly in demand console though, 
PS4 was sold out all throughout it and Sony couldn't immediatly increase production/shipments

Nintendo had some months to gauge demand and step up production accordingly

I think there is something to be said for a non-holiday launch date. First, in much of the world that isn't significant sales period anyways.
Second, there is the difficulties with matching supply and demand. Console makers need to contract with suppliers for X amount of
production capacity which are on long-term basis. It's already understood that leading up to holiday seasons they will "hoard" supply
to be able to meet heightened demand, but aligning launch with holiday just makes so much demand it is impossible to meet demand.
Having launch date separate from holiday spreads that demand out more, allowing production capacity to be closer matched to demand,
and of course such an approach allows for more actual games to be available by the time holiday season comes around, which probably
will yield higher over-all game sales than holiday launches followed by relative games drought. 



Mar1217 said:
quickrick said:

Dude relax. ps4 is selling much better. the only reason switch is close because it's going through it fully stocked holiday, ps4 in it's first real holiday period sold through around 8 million, it's launch holiday doesn't really count because it sold out 4 months before launch just with preorders.

You can spin it all the way you want but no. The launch still counts as their first Holiday. Just mean that it was Sony's fault to not be able to replenished their new hardware when the demand was so high.

it can count if you want, but sony in regular holidays ships 8 million units, launch holiday can not be compared to post launch holiday no console manufacturer has every had anywhere near enough to supply a  holiday lunch, they all been sold out, and never got a holiday boost.



Amazing



The poll implies that these two are the same generation... they're not. PS4 and Switch aren't going to be judged against one another in the long term because of it. I mean, one launched almost four years ahead of the other lol.