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Star Wars Episode VIII: The Last Jedi - 85 Meta (49 Critics) - 93% Rotten (169 Critics)

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Will be watching The Last Jedi next week with my brother!



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mZuzek said:
shikamaru317 said:
2nd highest rated Star Wars movie after a New Hope

You see, this is exactly my point. This is why you don't trust movie critics. A New Hope being the highest rated is just... no. I mean, it is a fine movie, certainly one of the best Star Wars films out there, but to say it's better than Empire is simply insane.

Of all the examples to not trust critics this is a flimsy case.  Star Wars was THE revolution of its time so of course its sequels wouldn't carry that same wow factor by itself.  And placing Empire on this absurd pedestal of outclassing everything before or after in SW, especially with such pacing issues comparative to A New Hope, should make anyone roll their eyes by now.



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I love the original and prequel trilogy.


Watching Force Awakens and liking it too despite copying many elements to play it safe.


I got premiere tickets to go watch it via sponsor tickets for the company I work for - so excited to go see it :D



    

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coolbeans said:
mZuzek said:

You see, this is exactly my point. This is why you don't trust movie critics. A New Hope being the highest rated is just... no. I mean, it is a fine movie, certainly one of the best Star Wars films out there, but to say it's better than Empire is simply insane.

Of all the examples to not trust critics this is a flimsy case.  Star Wars was THE revolution of its time so of course its sequels wouldn't carry that same wow factor by itself.  And placing Empire on this absurd pedestal of outclassing everything before or after in SW, especially with such pacing issues comparative to A New Hope, should make anyone roll their eyes by now.

Oh yeah, Empire is the one with pacing issues. The one that takes like an hour to get absolutely anywhere and from then has a weird moment right before the supposed climax where everything is just kinda silent and nothing seems to be going on, and then proceeds to the super boring generic "climactic" battle against the completely underdeveloped villains doesn't have any pacing issues.



gigantor21 said:

The title makes it sound like it only got 6% fresh on RT, LMAO.

Force Awakens got 93% but was just "okayish" for me. Really hoping this one lives up to the hype.

I think TFA was a good movie, but not reall 93% good, more like 80% to me. TFA simply had to clear the "better than the prequels" bar which it did easily. TLJ is being held to a higher standard (or so I would think) and seems to be exceeding TFA at this point, especially on Meta. 



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Shadow1980 said:
I wonder how much of the Force Awakens hate is genuine and how much of it is just "It's popular so it sucks" bandwagoning. I genuinely enjoyed it and Rogue One. Maybe not quite as much at any of the original trilogy movies, but they're still leaps and bounds better than the prequels. Phantom Menace will always be the weakest of the Star Wars movies, and was the only one where I walked out of the theater less than impressed.

not much of it. If you talk to normies the generally consensus is "They really liked it". And since those normies make up a vast majority of the viewing audience I would see what you read on a hard core star wars forum or a gaming forum is non-represtitive. 



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I've already skimmed through all the plot points and spoilers in the film (don't worry, I won't spoil anything here), and all I can say is this:

Star Wars, we hardly knew ye. This thing is officially a reanimated zombie that prints money for the House of Mouse.



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mZuzek said:
coolbeans said:

Of all the examples to not trust critics this is a flimsy case.  Star Wars was THE revolution of its time so of course its sequels wouldn't carry that same wow factor by itself.  And placing Empire on this absurd pedestal of outclassing everything before or after in SW, especially with such pacing issues comparative to A New Hope, should make anyone roll their eyes by now.

Oh yeah, Empire is the one with pacing issues. The one that takes like an hour to get absolutely anywhere and from then has a weird moment right before the supposed climax where everything is just kinda silent and nothing seems to be going on, and then proceeds to the super boring generic "climactic" battle against the completely underdeveloped villains doesn't have any pacing issues.

Umm...I suppose this is the part where I should say "Exhibit A!" in reference to what I said previously.  There's a pretty good reason as to why A New Hope is the template looked upon in respect to story structure.  The build-up, character introductions, etc. fall at a rate that keeps things briskly going along.  Empire's 2nd Act?  Eh...gotta say that's the weak spot.  

So now we're just going off the rails to shit not even associated to pacing...to criticize my comment regarding pacing.  I never stated Empire wasn't the 'deeper' film of the two.  Your subjective feelings of how you find ANH's climax as 'boring' doesn't really matter either.  



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coolbeans said:
mZuzek said:

Oh yeah, Empire is the one with pacing issues. The one that takes like an hour to get absolutely anywhere and from then has a weird moment right before the supposed climax where everything is just kinda silent and nothing seems to be going on, and then proceeds to the super boring generic "climactic" battle against the completely underdeveloped villains doesn't have any pacing issues.

Umm...I suppose this is the part where I should say "Exhibit A!" in reference to what I said previously.  There's a pretty good reason as to why A New Hope is the template looked upon in respect to story structure.  The build-up, character introductions, etc. fall at a rate that keeps things briskly going along.  Empire's 2nd Act?  Eh...gotta say that's the weak spot.  

So now we're just going off the rails to shit not even associated to pacing...to criticize my comment regarding pacing.  I never stated Empire wasn't the 'deeper' film of the two.  Your subjective feelings of how you find ANH's climax as 'boring' doesn't really matter either.  

But the main reason why the ending was boring was because of a pacing issue in its build-up. The movie spends far too much time with the main characters in the Death Star, and once they escape, you barely get a couple of scenes with the rebels planning the attack and suddenly it's back at the Death Star again. It wasn't handled well, and it made the ending quite unfulfilling because of how the Death Star suddenly went from "most dangerous place to be" to "the thing to destroy" in only a few minutes.

Then again, I see this pacing complaint also directed at Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 and its second act when compared to the original, so I guess I just can't hope to understand. I'd much rather have a movie that takes its time and develops its characters in the second act (which is often referred to as the "development" part of a narrative for crying out loud) than one that is just nonstop action and excitement and shit going on all the time.



Yeah, I don’t think so.