Superman4 said: Ok, Who voted Xb one? |
Ah, I messed up and forgot the 'see results' option. That are probably the XB1-voters.
Who will win? | |||
PS4 will dominate (more than 30M difference) | 53 | 40.46% | |
PS4 | 34 | 25.95% | |
both end up similar (less... | 20 | 15.27% | |
Switch | 11 | 8.40% | |
Switch will dominate (mor... | 6 | 4.58% | |
XBox One | 7 | 5.34% | |
Total: | 131 |
Superman4 said: Ok, Who voted Xb one? |
Ah, I messed up and forgot the 'see results' option. That are probably the XB1-voters.
I do think PS4 will outsell the Switch lifetime because the hardware, for one, didn't age quite as fast as the Switch (which will hopefully offer a mid-gen upgrade like the other two).
Mainly, though, it's because they probably had the least competition for a huge portion of their run than any console since the first few years of the Atari VCS in NA. I really can't think of an example where a console had only two competitors, and both competitors absolutely face-planted and botched their entries from the start.
The end result was that the PS4 was simultaneously affordable and the strongest hardware-wise (that almost never happens), not held down by expensive peripherals, was the best system for multiplats, had a strong first party lineup, and was really just the logical choice for almost everyone.
We might not see such a favorable climate for a console to sell well again going forward. I don't think the Switch can ever catch that even if it does sell extremely well.
Barkley said: Sure PS4 will win, and likely by over 30m. |
Nah. both will likely be in the 100-120m range. I don't think one will have a big advantage in another one.
Barkley said:
So what do you think the Switch will sell in it's peak year? |
Well I guess as you haven't responded you didn't give it that much thought. It's more of a wish then a prediction I suppose.
Mnementh said:
If the Switch has 12.5M at the end of 2017 (around week 45 or so) it is 1.5M ahead of PS4 at the same time. Also you average from April to October, while early on the Switch was supply-constrained and is even now in Japan. Even if you ignore that: second year is for basically every console much better than the first. Selling an extra 100K seems very conservative, usually consoles have more like 30-50% more in the second year. |
If the Switch is at 12.5M at the end of 2017 it will be 1.3M ahead of the PS4 at the same time. But! because of the misaligned launches the PS4 was ramping up to the end of the year so it sold 3 million units in that time frame. 1.7M units in January and February isn't a certainty. Heck, it's not even a certainty that the Switch hits 12.5M units at the end of 2017. That's still 2.4M units in the last 3 weeks of December after taking what was probably 40+ days to do it that same amount over November and the first week+ of December...
Bet with Adamblaziken:
I bet that on launch the Nintendo Switch will have no built in in-game voice chat. He bets that it will. The winner gets six months of avatar control over the other user.
Barkley said: Sure PS4 will win, and likely by over 30m. |
Yeah, my money is STILL on the PS4. But right now, The Switch is on par with the PS4 on the timeline. Let's see how the Switch continues to sell after the holidays. :)
Mnementh said:
Wow, that is bold. Currently Switch seems to go the way to 100M or so. That includes obvious increases in year two and three. But you predict more like 150M. This is the territtory of the most popular consoles of all time: PS2 and DS. I might be interesting, but I don't share at this point your confidence. |
I think the Switch will have an unusual trajectory, but in the end it will win both the home and handheld markets for Generation 9 with one console.
Barkley said:
Two people in one thread predicting over 155m for the switch? :| I'm not sure how you can think the Switch will sell less in 2018 than 2017 but somehow still sell over 155m lifetime xD. What does your rough year-by-year look like in your head? Something like this? 2017 - 13m (13m) It just doesn't look right, my current predictions for both are 70-80m for Switch and 110-120m for PS4. |
Hard to predict exactly, because Generation 9 will be unusual, while Generation 8 is a fairly predictable generation. It's basically like Gen 6. Think about Generation 7, though. The vast majority of people were off on a year by year basis throughout Gen 7, and even those who knew what was going to happen could at best give an accurate 1 year projection of numbers.
So Gen 9 will not be quite as wild as Gen 7, but it will be a lot harder to predict than Gen 8. The best I can say is that the Switch's sales trajectory will be a lot like the DS's trajectory (with a few exceptions that I will state below). The DS's hardware sales went like this
Year 1 - 3m (3m)
Year 2 - 11.5m (14.5m)
Year 3 - 21m (35.5m)
Year 4 - 29m (64.5m)
Year 5 - 31.5m (96m)
Year 6 - 29m (125m)
Years 7-10 29m (154m)
(I am ending each year at Dec. 31 in the above numbers.)
The Switch's sales are going to look like that with the following adjustments: Year end this year we mostly know will be 12-15m sales. Year 2 will be same or somewhat less than DS (0-50% less). Years 3 - 6 will be same or somewhat more than DS (0-50% more each year). And Switch will have very good tail end sales for years 7+ (50-150% more than DS).
I know that is a big range, but exact numbers are hard to predict. Overall what I am saying is that Switch is going to win both the home and handheld markets, and that is why it is going to be the best selling console yet.
curl-6 bet me that PS5 + X|S sales would reach 56m before year end 2023 and he was right.
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My NSW prediction.
2017 - 14m - 14m
2018 - 25m - 39m
2019 - 24m - 53m
2020 - 20m - 72m
2021 - 16m - 88m
2022 - 14m - 102m
2023 - 7m - 109m / New Nintendo console year
2024 - 3m - 112m
2025 - 1m - 113m
gentii said: i dont know how ps4 will sell but switch will surpass Nintendo DS |
Nope, I don't see that happening.
Ryng_Tolu said: My NSW prediction. 2017 - 14m - 14m 2018 - 25m - 39m 2019 - 24m - 53m 2020 - 20m - 72m 2021 - 16m - 88m 2022 - 14m - 102m 2023 - 7m - 109m / New Nintendo console year 2024 - 3m - 112m 2025 - 1m - 113m |
The Switch will NOT sell over 20 million consoles in ANY given year. That's my prediction. :)