Don the only problem is your understanding of MS and there business practises. No one is forcing anyone, they are hired to do a job. You are not forced to work at your job, you do it to get paid. 343i only exists to make Halo, if Halo didn't exist than neither would 343. If devs want to make newer experiences and didn't want to make Halo games anymore than they can get transferred to a different company or look elsewhere just like a real job. Again 343i was made to create Halo that's why they make Halo games. No one is forced because 343 is part of MS and run a division, its not a brand outside of MS.

With your logic that's like you saying Sony's TV division are forced to make TVs.. haha you see what your saying? Divisions are made to continue the business in categories that's what 343i is to MS. More importantly is how the staff inside 343 are treated, if they want to move on to other things and if MS allow for those transfers. You should know this if you have a job. Its basic job practises. 

So stop comparing brands that were built from the ground up to brands that weren't. Completely different directions and focus. I don't want 343 to make other games, I want them to continue the Halo brand much like what they were created to do. There not forced its there job. Forced is the wrong term for that subject.

You amaze me with your knowledge of spin-offs. Mario and Rabbids is a Mario game, not a Mario Kameo, if anything Rabbids are the kameo in that Mario game just like Hyrule Warriors is a Zelda game, Halo Wars is a Halo game.

So what part of spin-offs don't you understand? If Mario made a appearance in Pokémon than that's called a Kameo. A game that's designed with Mario in mind with a full Mario story, Mario characters and art style than that is a Mario game. Only thing different is the genre much the same as Halo Wars correct. 

Spin-Offs

Title - Mario and Rabbids       Title - Halo Wars 2                            Title -  Zelda Hyrule Warriors

Developer - Ubisoft                 Developer - Creative Assembly      Developer - Omega Force

Genre - RTS                               Genre - RTS                                        Genre - Action

Mainline

Title - Mario Odyssey              Title - Halo 5 Guardians                   Title - Zelda BOTW

Developer - Nintendo             Developer - 343i                                Developer - Nintendo     

Genre - Platformer                  Genre - Shooter                                 Genre - RPG

^ What's the difference? Both using there franchises in the same way.

TOPIC - Now for my opinion on the topic at hand is Rare needs SoTs to succeed to not be closed down and that's a more important subject. Weather they have a contract with the game for afew years is all up to Rare and MS and what they have planned. This is a business about making money so they will do what's required. Rare has too much to be locked into 1 game forever. MS will most likely build a brand up to monitor the MMO while Rare makes something new or old. Much like how MS's history shows in the past. 

Don the only problem is your understanding of MS and there business practises. No one is forcing anyone, they are hired to do a job. You are not forced to work at your job, you do it to get paid. 343i only exists to make Halo, if Halo didn't exist than neither would 343. If devs want to make newer experiences and didn't want to make Halo games anymore than they can get transferred to a different company or look elsewhere just like a real job. Again 343i was made to create Halo that's why they make Halo games. No one is forced because 343 is part of MS and run a division, its not a brand outside of MS.

With your logic that's like you saying Sony's TV division are forced to make TVs.. haha you see what your saying? Divisions are made to continue the business in categories that's what 343i is to MS. More importantly is how the staff inside 343 are treated, if they want to move on to other things and if MS allow for those transfers. You should know this if you have a job. Its basic job practises. 

So stop comparing brands that were built from the ground up to brands that weren't. Completely different directions and focus. I don't want 343 to make other games, I want them to continue the Halo brand much like what they were created to do. There not forced its there job. Forced is the wrong term for that subject.

You amaze me with your knowledge of spin-offs. Mario and Rabbids is a Mario game, not a Mario Kameo, if anything Rabbids are the kameo in that Mario game just like Hyrule Warriors is a Zelda game, Halo Wars is a Halo game.

So what part of spin-offs don't you understand? If Mario made a appearance in Pokémon than that's called a Kameo. A game that's designed with Mario in mind with a full Mario story, Mario characters and art style than that is a Mario game. Only thing different is the genre much the same as Halo Wars correct. 

Spin-Offs

Title - Mario and Rabbids       Title - Halo Wars 2                            Title -  Zelda Hyrule Warriors

Developer - Ubisoft                 Developer - Creative Assembly      Developer - Omega Force

Genre - RTS                               Genre - RTS                                        Genre - Action

Mainline

Title - Mario Odyssey              Title - Halo 5 Guardians                   Title - Zelda BOTW

Developer - Nintendo             Developer - 343i                                Developer - Nintendo     

Genre - Platformer                  Genre - Shooter                                 Genre - RPG

^ What's the difference? Both using there franchises in the same way.

TOPIC - Now for my opinion on the topic at hand is Rare needs SoTs to succeed to not be closed down and that's a more important subject. Weather they have a contract with the game for afew years is all up to Rare and MS and what they have planned. This is a business about making money so they will do what's required. Rare has too much to be locked into 1 game forever. MS will most likely build a brand up to monitor the MMO while Rare makes something new or old. Much like how MS's history shows in the past. 

And you aren't understanding that buying a dev that already exist and demanding a specific game is just the same. If the devs over there want to make another game they can look for another job the same way. So again I ask you the difference.

You are really reaching. Comparing the development of a single IP on an industry to a whole industry.

So Ubisoft makes a Rabbid game but it's a Mario game with Rabbid Kameo? This is gold.

Yes it's a Mario game, Mario characters, not Mario franchise. Mario have dozen of different franchises and IP that you can consider spin-off if you want. But nope, they are different IPs that use the chars.

And again I haven't once said Halo Wars isn't a spin-off, I said that you comparing a franchise spin-off to games made using the same chars is funny. This is why I said if it called Master Chief's Wars and revolved on the Master Chief instead of Halo franchise then it would be closer to the Mario situation. But anyway that is semantics.

Sure SoT being successful is important to Rare. And seems like for the happiness of most here, for then to develop bigger and better games.

What you just described is 343 being forced to do halo. If they don't then get the hell out.

Even in the tv business there's some creative choice. Lets say the techies want to advance LED but sony says no, you have to do OLED its the future, if not get the hell  out. then they would be force to do it. That's the thing about being a dev, you are meant to create. I get what you mean that 343 was created for halo, But like don said at some point, forcing the same thing on the devs will make them either quit so they can finally explore their horizon(with so little dev power ms cant afford that) or they will keep making poor quality games since they cant squeeze anymore out of it, or just are tired and cant come up with anything else. How bad halo 5 was received and the declining sales is proof of that.

And you aren't understanding that buying a dev that already exist and demanding a specific game is just the same. If the devs over there want to make another game they can look for another job the same way. So again I ask you the difference.

You are really reaching. Comparing the development of a single IP on an industry to a whole industry.

So Ubisoft makes a Rabbid game but it's a Mario game with Rabbid Kameo? This is gold.

Yes it's a Mario game, Mario characters, not Mario franchise. Mario have dozen of different franchises and IP that you can consider spin-off if you want. But nope, they are different IPs that use the chars.

And again I haven't once said Halo Wars isn't a spin-off, I said that you comparing a franchise spin-off to games made using the same chars is funny. This is why I said if it called Master Chief's Wars and revolved on the Master Chief instead of Halo franchise then it would be closer to the Mario situation. But anyway that is semantics.

Sure SoT being successful is important to Rare. And seems like for the happiness of most here, for then to develop bigger and better games.

What you just described is 343 being forced to do halo. If they don't then get the hell out.

Even in the tv business there's some creative choice. Lets say the techies want to advance LED but sony says no, you have to do OLED its the future, if not get the hell  out. then they would be force to do it. That's the thing about being a dev, you are meant to create. I get what you mean that 343 was created for halo, But like don said at some point, forcing the same thing on the devs will make them either quit so they can finally explore their horizon(with so little dev power ms cant afford that) or they will keep making poor quality games since they cant squeeze anymore out of it, or just are tired and cant come up with anything else. How bad halo 5 was received and the declining sales is proof of that.

Dude it doesn't matter if another dev makes the games or use there characters, Mario and Rabbids is still a Mario game and its still milking all the same. Using Mario or Link or Nathan Drake in other games is still the same thing. Mario and Rabbids is only one Mario game they released this year, how many other Mario games get released though out the years. Halo Wars is also made by a different dev so what's the difference? There isn't. You want to point out that MS milk there franchises by releasing games yearly and jumping on Halo Wars 2 and MCC as milking then act like Nintendo do it differently is embarrassing on your behalf.

Nintendo and Sony both milk when there's money involved. Sony milks GT, Nintendo milks Mario and MS milk Halo.

We also don't know the contract 343 has with MS, maybe they do and maybe they don't have the freedom outside of Halo, I highly doubt they do and it doesn't matter because you would be a stupid dev to accept a job roll at 343i if you are not into making Halo games. If you want to say there forced go for it, I wont stop you, now take into account Rare isn't 343 so keep that in mind and I haven't heard any complaints about 343 wanting to move past Halo.

Now I am done debating this with you. I have taken a neutral side on all 3 big brands here not singling one out yet you still want to throw eggs at MS for milking Halo and locking devs into making 1 IP for there eternity is silly and doesn't seem like you want to change that mindset. So go write a thread about how bad MS is and there shameful acts of milking brands.

This thread is about Rare and its future, and MS has allowed Rare to make a new IP which puts all your points about MS to rest.  

That's what there job is. 343 hire devs that want to work on Halo. Hence why the brand is called 343i after a Halo character. If you work for 343 you are contracted to work on Halo. Either way the point has gone past many. If you want to say there forced by there own will to make Halo games than go for it. I think the business model has gone past a few in here. 

343 was built solely to build Halo games unlike Rare.

As for the TV example, that division can go on to innovate better TVs however they still only make TVs. Game brands thrive to make better games by innovating so the differences is all the same.

Dude it doesn't matter if another dev makes the games or use there characters, Mario and Rabbids is still a Mario game and its still milking all the same. Using Mario or Link or Nathan Drake in other games is still the same thing. Mario and Rabbids is only one Mario game they released this year, how many other Mario games get released though out the years. Halo Wars is also made by a different dev so what's the difference? There isn't. You want to point out that MS milk there franchises by releasing games yearly and jumping on Halo Wars 2 and MCC as milking then act like Nintendo do it differently is embarrassing on your behalf.

Nintendo and Sony both milk when there's money involved. Sony milks GT, Nintendo milks Mario and MS milk Halo.

We also don't know the contract 343 has with MS, maybe they do and maybe they don't have the freedom outside of Halo, I highly doubt they do and it doesn't matter because you would be a stupid dev to accept a job roll at 343i if you are not into making Halo games. If you want to say there forced go for it, I wont stop you, now take into account Rare isn't 343 so keep that in mind and I haven't heard any complaints about 343 wanting to move past Halo.

Now I am done debating this with you. I have taken a neutral side on all 3 big brands here not singling one out yet you still want to throw eggs at MS for milking Halo and locking devs into making 1 IP for there eternity is silly and doesn't seem like you want to change that mindset. So go write a thread about how bad MS is and there shameful acts of milking brands.

This thread is about Rare and its future, and MS has allowed Rare to make a new IP which puts all your points about MS to rest.  

That's what there job is. 343 hire devs that want to work on Halo. Hence why the brand is called 343i after a Halo character. If you work for 343 you are contracted to work on Halo. Either way the point has gone past many. If you want to say there forced by there own will to make Halo games than go for it. I think the business model has gone past a few in here. 

343 was built solely to build Halo games unlike Rare.

As for the TV example, that division can go on to innovate better TVs however they still only make TVs. Game brands thrive to make better games by innovating so the differences is all the same.

You do have a hard time understanding anything right? I'll put again I don't consider Halo Wars being milking, I have said half a dozen times. I was talking about Halo remasters, collection and mainline Halos all close to one another.

And you'll keep insisting on Sony milking GT, even if that is PD decision, so yes, there is no point in discussing with you.

Also yes you go to 343 to make Halo, but that doesn't mean you'll happy still doing it after 10 years.

No body is arguing that 343 was not created to do halo. we all know this. But don already said it before me. You can tell their heart is no longer into the game. Just look at the heavily criticized halo 5 campaign. 

Sony Interactive Entertainment Studios want you to hold their beer mate.

Mate Halo gets released yearly however those devs aren't locked into making Halo games. Those devs are contracted to make 1 or 2 and they normally change after that. 343 is the brand designed to make Halo games, and they release them every 3 years. Halo makes a ton of money and expect no less with Halo 6. Look up how much Halo 5 made for MS and you will be shocked. You know why Halo profits so much and the sales seem to be less than the previous game? its because Halo isn't bundled as much as they use to be and Digital sales also take into account. Profits > Sales numbers. 

Disney have made 3 Star Wars movies since they purchased the franchise. 343 have made 3 Halo Games when they were formed. So what's your point?

It doesn't matter what Cobolt and Scrolls are, they are games released by Mojang so your point is invalid.

So what recent games have PD made outside of GT?  

You should be thanking MS for letting Rare make something new not bash them for locking devs into IPs and worried for future games if SoTs is successful.

I for one am looking forward to SoTs if your not. And I will be really happy if Rare support the game years on end.

All companies milk there big IPs if you see it as milking. Its just Halo is a lot bigger than the IPs you probably play which most likely die off and stop selling after awhile. Halo continues to profit massively and MS would be loving it.

Halo is no different to Mario, Zelda and Pokémon for Nintendo. Huge followings allow for more games made. That's the way it is. CoD releases a mainline CoD game yearly that different devs make. Halo mainline is made every 3 years with an exception of a spin off in between. 

Every successful game gets milked. Even games like overwatch and counter strike go gets milked because they push microtransactions like crazy. In this industry which we should know about hardly anyone takes chances on new ips. Sure we got pubg, overwatch and destiny that are now popular but those games required a lot of advertisement money.

Like what? All their games look like reskins/mods of TLOU and Uncharted. Hell, the new GOW game looks like the TLOU in many ways. Has the same plot where you have to guide a kid around and similar mechanics. Just another linear third-person action adventure game.

Can you disprove me?  A simple google search will show a lot of people agree with me. Here is a quote from a forum user that hits the nail on the head. 

Same graphics
Old man with a young kid
Same melee animations
Same camera angle
Same stiff walk animation

http://www.ign.com/boards/threads/so-they-basically-reskinned-the-last-of-us-for-the-new-god-of-war.454786363/

This is a very interesting observation and I must say I agree.  I was watching the new trailer for GOW not to long ago and a few things stood out to me.  First it doesn't feel like a GOW game.  The gameplay was not appealing to me as it moved away from the combo fun of its roots to this slow slog type of gameplay which is not what I was expecting.  Do not get me wrong the game looks great but as a GOW fan, the change in direction is a huge let down.  I am not sure if I am excited about the new GOW but since I have played them all, I will get it.  I just might not get it day one.