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Aeolus451 said:
StarOcean said:
Get rid of Israel and everything the stupid UN did back after WW2. They gave away land that wasn't theres to people out of pity. And now the people they pitied are acting as bad, if not worse, than how they were treated in WW2. They need to be kicked out and stay out. The fact that the US gov funds these neo-Nazi's is disgusting

....So Israel/jews are neo-nazis?

They act like it. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck -then it's probably a duck. I have no sympathy for them. They deserve to be treated the same way they treat the Palestinians. Concentration camps, steal their land, etc 



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I think many Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza would still view the multinational state as an occupation, but I would like to see a unified nation where Jews and Arabs are equal. Unfortunately I don't think an agreement will be made as any negotiation with Israel would be political suicide for a Palestinian leader, and I doubt Israel would want to give up their power.



deskpro2k3 said:
h2ohno said:
Shaked never said the mothers of all Palestinians should be killed. She said that the "mothers of the martyrs" should be killed. This is obviously also a very problematic thing to say, but it refers solely to the mothers of those who commit terrorist attacks. It is terrible. It is incitement. But it has not been government policy and she backtracked away from it, And anyone who says she called for all Palestinians or all mothers to be killed is peddling 'fake news.'

A useful test is to compare the how each society responds to their worst members or atrocities committed against the other side. In 2014, shortly before the Gaza war, Hamas terrorists kidnapped and murdered three Israeli teenagers. The result was celebrations throughout the West Bank and Gaza. Social media posts were full of people smiling and holding three fingers up in support of the murder of the three teenagers. The murders were largely seen as heroic.

Then a group of Jewish teenagers carried out a revenge killing of an Arab teenager. The result within Israeli society was near-universal horror and disgust, with some of the most right-wing settler leaders calling for the perpetrators to be killed. Incidentally, Shaked herself called for the perpetrators to be treated the same as any other murderers, including Arabs who murdered Jews. Israelis ostracize those who murder innocents. The Palestinians idolize them.

 

The post was deleted, but an archived version remains.

“They have to die and their houses should be demolished so that they cannot bear any more terrorists,” Shaked said, adding, “They are all our enemies and their blood should be on our hands. This also applies to the mothers of the dead terrorists.”


“Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

 

coincidentally women and children make up a sizeable number of Palestinian fatalities caused by Israeli attacks in the region. I don't know about the celebrations part and other stuff. I remember Trump saying something similar about 9/11 when he was campaigning for President, which was later proven false. IJS

Neither paragraph is an accurate translation.  It's cut up and rearranged.  This is what was actually written.

“Behind every terrorist stand dozens of men and women, without whom he could not engage in terrorism. Actors in the war are those who incite in mosques, who write the murderous curricula for schools, who give shelter, who provide vehicles, and all those who honor and give them their moral support. They are all enemy combatants, and their blood shall be on all their heads. Now this also includes the mothers of the martyrs, who send them to hell with flowers and kisses. They should follow their sons, nothing would be more just. They should go, as should the physical homes in which they raised the snakes. Otherwise, more little snakes will be raised there.”

The paragraph calls for treating those who help terrorists carry out attacks, like by driving them to the locations of their attacks, to be treated the same as the attackers.  It also calls on those who incite and mothers who approve of their children becoming suicide bombers or going out to murder Jews, mother who are happy about their children being killed when committing murder, to be treated the same as well.

The entire article is a plea for Israel to change its policy of acting with so much restraint and to respond to terror attacks and declarations of war against the same way other western countries do.  It's not a call for genocide, even if parts of it are disgusting.  And it was not said by Shaked.  The words are actually the words of a man named Uri Elitzur.  Shaked shared the article, but she had no hand in actually writing it, and its content has been blown out of proportion to mean things it never actually said.



The only solution is a 2-state solution in which Israel completely abandons the West Bank, including West Jerusalem.



This thread is getting hotter with every comment lol.

On topic I prefer them to keep status quo since it's the best of both world right now. I mean China and Taiwan has doing this for quite a while and they're perfectly fine right now. They only need to do their own thing and don't mess with each other. As for other country, its up to them to side with either country.



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NightDragon83 said:
VGPolyglot said:

I'm not amused.

Maybe you did nazi the humor in my comment, eh?

A final solution joke and a terrible nazi pun? For fuck's sake, how do you think anyone will take you seriously?

NightDragon83 said:
monocle_layton said:
The one that stops the illegal settlements. All I want honestly as someone who's from there.

Yup, I'm sure if the Israelis just stopped building on disputed territory, that would solve all the problems over there...

...or just embolden their enemies when the see how violence and terrorism gets results for them.

So Israel isn't harming innocent civilians as well?

 

Taking over land isn't the only practical solution. It honestly isn't. Palestine has a high amount of reported civilian casualties as well.



StarOcean said:
Aeolus451 said:

....So Israel/jews are neo-nazis?

They act like it. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck -then it's probably a duck. I have no sympathy for them. They deserve to be treated the same way they treat the Palestinians. Concentration camps, steal their land, etc 

You know that nazis killed alot of jews because they were jews, right? Yeah, that sounds just like Israel. Does Israel have a terrorist group dedicated to wiping a people off the planet. Why do alot of left leaning people always call people "nazis" or "neo-nazis" when they're nothing close to it?  



I'll give you my thoughts as a Palestinian with Israeli citizenship (part of the Arabs of 48 - the ones who stayed in their villages/towns after the war, in Israel's side of the Green Line).

 

I believe that the 2 state solution isn't just a solution, it's the only one that can work. Sure there are lots of people on both sides that want peace, but there are too many who hate the other side, that I just can't see 1 fully democratic state form. As an Israeli politician said before, if Israel absorbs the Palestinian territories, it'll either stop being Jewish (Since it'll quickly turn into an Arab majority), or stop being Democratic (Become an official apartheid system).

 

I blame the hate on religious/ethnic fanatics. I've yet to meet somebody in my daily interactions with Jews in technological areas that thinks of me as a "lesser" person because I'm an Arab, but you can bet I've met some in other areas. 

 

I think Jerusalem should be joint control. 



Aeolus451 said:
StarOcean said:

They act like it. If it walks like a duck, quacks like a duck -then it's probably a duck. I have no sympathy for them. They deserve to be treated the same way they treat the Palestinians. Concentration camps, steal their land, etc 

You know that nazis killed alot of jews because they were jews, right? Yeah, that sounds just like Israel. Does Israel have a terrorist group dedicated to wiping a people off the planet. Why do alot of left leaning people always call people "nazis" or "neo-nazis" when they're nothing close to it?  

Why do you keep asking me what left leaners think? I don't know. I'm not a left leaner. Ask anyone who listens to me on Discord. I hold very few left leaning values -I arguably hold more right leaning values. And the Jews kill a lot of Palestinians because they are Palestinians. Do you think the UN should have given up land that was not theres? No. They shouldn't. If they wanted to actually do right they'd give up land in the US, UK, EU. But they didn't. Because they didn't care about the Jews either. Giving them Israel was self-promotion. It made them look good on the surface while they created issues that future generations would have to face later, like now. And now these "Jews" are treating the Palestinians like shit for no reason



ironmanDX said:
VGPolyglot said:

No.

I see that you live in Canada and you're 19. I'll assume that you don't own your own home yet. Are you an Inuit or Metis?

 

If you answered no, best you better tell your parents to give your house to a Canadian aboriginal who is a descendant to the tribe that used to own that land mate.

 

If you answered yes,are you going to follow your heritage and start kicking families out of homes? Of course you're not.

Humanity has made mistakes as a whole. We need to push forward as a whole. Why bring up shit and continue the conflict? Such backwards thinking.

It's sad that we need a solution. There should have already been one. Like the ones already presented to palastinians leaders. SEVERAL TIMES...

I didn't say that Jews living in Palestinian territories should be kicked out of their homes. I acknowledged that Palestinians have been forced from their land in the past, and they have very real reasons for for their grievances.