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Honestly, the best solution is to kill everyone there and start all over. I know, that is inhumane but we all know that is the only true solution.



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GhaudePhaede010 said:
Honestly, the best solution is to kill everyone there and start all over. I know, that is inhumane but we all know that is the only true solution.

I actually agree with this



Palestinian territories??



Let us get one thing straight here, since most people here aren't really taught history these days.

For the person who said that they have been fighting for 2000 years, you are wrong. The Romans got so tired of dealing with the Jews that they relocated them to other parts of the empire, then sacked Jerusalem. There were not many Jews in Jerusalem until after WWII.

The Middle East, during that time, has been raided and captured by many different groups, but the Ottoman's were able to control it for a few centuries, before they lost the territory after WWI. The British and French divided the lands among themselves.

After WWII, The US worked with the UK and France in order to setup a home for the Jews, and that is how the state of Israel was born. Oh, and that land was technically owned and controlled by the UK and France (spoils from the first world war, remember).

Now, as far as this "illegal occupation" goes, you really need to decide if starting a war with Israel was "illegal." Israel, by the way, won that war and kept a lot of the land that they captured. Nothing illegal about that. Hell, one can argue that North and South America are being illegally occupied, a lot of Europe as well, even many parts of Asia and Africa. If capturing territory and residing on it is illegal, then good luck trying to enforce that on all the countries of the world who have land because of past victories.

I have no horse in this race, and I think the fact that we fight over it, mainly based on what our political party of choice backs, is an affront to the people who live there. We constantly are making things worse, not better, because of our crappy politics (and the amount of money that is tied to political activism). I have sympathy for the Jews, Muslims, Christians, (in essence, everyone that lives in that region). They are pawns for our (and other countries) political gains.

VGPolygot, none of the solutions that you mentioned will work. They are all designed for the betterment of other countries political ambitions, not the people in that region. If any of those are actually implemented, then there will be new fighting for something else in the region, that will use hatred and fear to keep that long running battle going (political activism, is big business). Best thing the world can do is get the hell out of there, take the money out, and let those two sides work things out. There is no problem with Muslims being a majority, or Jews being a majority, we just make that a big deal. The important thing is that they provide opportunity for all citizens, regardless of religion, race, etc. Funny how everyone holds America to that standards, but then expects the rest of the world to be segregated.

No easy solution, just let the parties involved work out their differences. If they feel the need to fight a war, so be it, but I would assume most people there do not want that (except for the terrorist organizations who are getting good money to do so, and also they don't want to lose their power).

Also, people need to understand, that historically the Muslims that ruled the countries in the Middle East allowed non Muslims to live there and be citizens, but, non Muslims didn't get the same benefits are Muslims did. They weren't persecuted though. Funny, how times and the world have changed.



CrazyGamer2017 said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Lets get some facts right. The only thing stopping Israel from "EASILY get rid of all Palestinians" (genocide) is the international condemnation that they're receiving. From violations including international humanitarian law, the illegal annexation of the West Bank, and bombings of UN schools, UN Hospitals, Shelters, and Factories etc. Pretty sure there are better ways to deal with this instead of blowing shit up.

What a nice color picture. Next time you want to put a fake picture of a PRE 1947 palestinian city, at least try some black and white fakes, you know to try a little harder to convince us. Not that it would change anything about those terrorists, but you know, to give us a little bit of a challenge in the argument.

What's next? A beautiful color picture of Jews invading palestinians with Jesus in the background proving that Jews invaded palestinians 2000 years ago?

Colour photography existed well before 1947, you know (though that wasn't the point of the OP). Also, it doesn't take more than a couple of clicks, which you honestly could do yourself, to verify that the Mustarrifate of Jerusalem was both inhabited and fairly prosperous/cultured under Ottoman rule. A photo, if you want one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acre,_Israel#/media/File:Akko19th.jpg



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betacon said:
deskpro2k3 said:

 

I'm not talking about what if, and what have nots and other nonsense that's coming out from you. I clearly gave you information about why the conflict in 1967 happen. You can believe whatever the hell you want, facts and logic seems to fail you. By the way, the word "Crazy" in your name fits you will.

Great personally insult, just admit you like starocean you don't see Jews as human. Youre heavily biased its ok for one side to attack and kill but not the other because the other side is bad(the jews)

Well deskpro2k3's empathy is selective. When Israel defends themselves against terrorists attacks by the palestinians, his empathy is all over the place for palestinians. When Israel creates buffer zones with land (that was theirs to begin with) from palestinians that keep attacking with terrorism and bombs in buses and murders of all kinds, his empathy is all over the place for palestinians again. So far, what a nice person full of empathy that he is, right?

But when the Arabs try to murder every last man, woman and child in Israel, suddenly his empathy is, how shall I put it? Oh yeah, missing. When some in this thread comment that all Jews should die or are sub-humans and stuff like that, his empathy is again, missing, hello empathy, where are you? People are trying to commit genocide against Israel so where are you empathy?

But yeah, he's a great guy cause he has empathy, well sometimes...



CrazyGamer2017 said:
betacon said:

Great personally insult, just admit you like starocean you don't see Jews as human. Youre heavily biased its ok for one side to attack and kill but not the other because the other side is bad(the jews)

Well deskpro2k3's empathy is selective. When Israel defends themselves against terrorists attacks by the palestinians, his empathy is all over the place for palestinians. When Israel creates buffer zones with land (that was theirs to begin with) from palestinians that keep attacking with terrorism and bombs in buses and murders of all kinds, his empathy is all over the place for palestinians again. So far, what a nice person full of empathy that he is, right?

But when the Arabs try to murder every last man, woman and child in Israel, suddenly his empathy is, how shall I put it? Oh yeah, missing. When some in this thread comment that all Jews should die or are sub-humans and stuff like that, his empathy is again, missing, hello empathy, where are you? People are trying to commit genocide against Israel so where are you empathy?

But yeah, he's a great guy cause he has empathy, well sometimes...

There's a difference between Israel and Palestinians. The former tends to refer to the actions of the state, such as the government and military, while the latter is more general in that it refers to the people/citizens of the region. Maybe if someone said Israelis and Palestinians it'd make more sense. Also, Arabs are a much larger group than Palestinians, who are a sub-group of Arabs. Should Palestinians suffer because of the actions of the Jordanian, Lebanese, Syrian, Egyptian, Saudi, Iraqi, Iranian (who are not Arabs), etc. regimes?



CrazyGamer2017 said:

Well deskpro2k3's empathy is selective. When Israel defends themselves against terrorists attacks by the palestinians, his empathy is all over the place for palestinians. When Israel creates buffer zones with land (that was theirs to begin with) from palestinians that keep attacking with terrorism and bombs in buses and murders of all kinds, his empathy is all over the place for palestinians again. So far, what a nice person full of empathy that he is, right?

But when the Arabs try to murder every last man, woman and child in Israel, suddenly his empathy is, how shall I put it? Oh yeah, missing. When some in this thread comment that all Jews should die or are sub-humans and stuff like that, his empathy is again, missing, hello empathy, where are you? People are trying to commit genocide against Israel so where are you empathy?

But yeah, he's a great guy cause he has empathy, well sometimes...

Straw man, nobody is defending the transgressions committed by the Arabs but nearly everyone you see in this thread are deriding Israel for obviously being the recent aggressors that they are since they're more of a terrorist state as some would say at this point than Palestine is since the former goes on terrorizing the latter far more frequently than the former these days when Israel straight up sponsors air strikes against Palestinian citizens! (It couldn't get any worse than using air force against a defenseless populace) 

I guess Israel haven't learned from the mistakes Nazi Germany since they enjoy following in their same footsteps so much ... 

Their land ? LOL, it wasn't the Jews to begin with since organized power first emerged under ancient Egypt and they haven't controlled Israel for a long time either since the last rule was British and the one before that was the Ottoman empire so how does it feel to know the possibility that the Turks have more right to reclaim Israel than the Jews themselves ?



fatslob-:O said:

Their land ? LOL, it wasn't the Jews to begin with since organized power first emerged under ancient Egypt and they haven't controlled Israel for a long time either since the last rule was British and the one before that was the Ottoman empire so how does it feel to know the possibility that the Turks have more right to reclaim Israel than the Jews themselves ?

Yeah except the Jews have been in that land for thousands of years and no matter what you say, this fact can never change (unless they find a way to change the past, oh wait, they do with a thing called revisionism)

But we have been down this argument already so yeah we'll just have to continue to disagree, that's all.



If the muslims were treated in Israel the same way christians/jews are treated in most muslim countries, they would be in jail or in the death row or be stoned in public.

Israel is a democracy and muslims that live there have freedom of religion, which doesn't exist in most muslim countries.

Denying that Jerusalem is their capital is like China that denies that Taiwan is an independent country.

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