CrazyGamer2017 said:
Another example would be France who took some territory from Germany after world war 1 (Alsace-Lorraine) and never returned it...
My point being that this issue depends very much on the country and on the history of the land. And even if we agreed to call Israel imperialists (which I do not), there are precedents by countries like France. Even the US can be considered imperialistic when it made war to the American Natives known as Indians to take their land. And I won't even talk about the UK and Northern Ireland...
As for Israel most of the land there was theirs a very long time ago (Kingdom of Israel and Kingdom of Judah) The Philistines had a strip of land roughly where the Gaza strip is today but the west bank is historically Jewish. So if you refer to the Israel as made by the UN in 1947 then yeah, you have a bit of a point but if you take into account land that was Jewish before it was palestinian then Israel is only taking back land that is historically speaking, theirs. And beyond that, I guess it will become a matter of opinion. Do they have the right to take back what was theirs or not?
I can understand that you disagree but in exchange you must understand that 1: other countries like France, the US, the UK and probably more have taken land from others that was NEVER theirs to begin with, at least Israel is only taking back what was theirs long ago. 2: The real issue here goes beyond the issue of land. Muslims are absolutely mad about the fact that non muslims live and have a state right in the middle of theirs and I'm talking about all the countries surrounding Israel, so the issue here is not just palestine, but to get rid of people that though with the same historical origin (sons of Abraham) as the other people in that region, have DARED to follow their beliefs instead of becoming muslims. Which is why peace is pretty much impossible cause what palestinians really want is the destruction of Israel which is exactly why I can understand that Israel deals with them in a tough way and not only should take the west bank who historically has been theirs but since the palestinians only wish for their destruction, there will never be peace in that region, until the palestinians are driven out of that land. The logic is clear: if there are no palestinians in the west bank there is no war to be waged with the west bank.
Again I can understand your side of the argument, the "legal" situation made by the UN in 1947. But like I'm explaining, this issue goes beyond what was simply legally decided in 1947.
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All of these examples you mentioned had occurred before WWII where we're supposed to know better in the age of information and Israel is by the very definition straight up imperialist, more so than Russia which says a lot. You also must not know a lot about early history of the US if that's how you think anglophones expanded the territory because the vast majority of native americans were eliminated through small pox and not through force ...
There are no historical documents about either the Kingdom of Israel or Judah ever having existed so their history cannot be preserved but there are historical documents of the Ottoman empire having claim to the territory for nearly 400 years which was an Islamic centric body so by historic religious rights the palestinians have more claim to Israel than the jews themselves! Israel is flat out an artificial state created by both the UN and the British mandate and has only existed for nearly 70 years so the Jewish aren't taking back anything, their just been handed territory only to take more of the arabs given share ...
You can at least attest to the fact that Israel is unjustly occupying the originally allotted palestinian land, no ? Do you really want another situation like China/Tibet where the more powerful state is bullying the weaker state ? On what other grounds do you think that the land that the jews have taken is theirs and where is justice for the palestinians that have been robbed of the land that they were given ?
Are you seriously implicating genocide with your last paragraph ?! Let me be clear that is the thought process of Nazi's that would ironically be running through Israel ...
