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Will the Switch fail just like the WII U?

Yes; without a strong 3rd party support 35 18.52%
 
No; Switch does not need 3rd party support 84 44.44%
 
Other 54 28.57%
 
See Poll Results 16 8.47%
 
Total:189

With regard the earlier comment about paid online having a negative effect on Switch sales when it's implemented I can't help wondering if Nintendo will introduce a price drop on the console at the same time therefore those who bought at full price would have benefited from free online and therefore will be more accepting of the price drop. It seems a logical way of introducing it.

It might be wishful thinking on my part though as I don't currently have a Switch and I'm not really interested in online multiplayer with regard Nintendo titles. I'm more into Mario and Zelda and found the mario kart online experience poor in the past compared to xbox and playstation titles. So I'm most interested in getting a Switch at a lower price, hopefully an improved revision with longer battery runtime.



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I think it's gonna be niche, not necessarily flop. The 3DS sells a tonne and i've only ever known 1 person that owned one. The way Nintendo does their pricing they are making a profit on all their hardware and the margin will only increase over time.



I've a feeling switch will pave off slowly. I hope they release a docked only version I would buy one asap



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Skeeuk said:
I've a feeling switch will pave off slowly. I hope they release a docked only version I would buy one asap

I really think this initial model is to get the overall concept known and they will evetually release console only & handheld only versions.

Similar to Vita & Vita TV but with 1000x better execution.



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Veknoid_Outcast said:
I guess I just don't get why some folks constantly hammer home the viewpoint that Switch (or any Nintendo system) is dead in the water without "AAA" third-party games. There's just no precedent for that notion. If anything, there's precedent for the opposite. When Nintendo tried to accommodate AAA third-parties and/or count on them to fill gaps in its software line-up, it was typically unsuccessful. See GCN, WiiU.

When Nintendo creates a platform designed to succeed in the absence of AAA third-party support, it usually flourishes. See GBA, DS, Wii, 3DS, and now Switch.

You're joking, right? All of those you mentioned (we'll see how the Switch continues in this regard) as successes had GREAT 3rd party support, especially in Japan. The only one that is questionable is the Wii. But, that is only because it got shovelware, not because it lacked 3rd party games. Which could explain its sales nosediving after its 3rd year.

 

@ OP

I'm on the fence on this one. The Switch has had a really good start. It didn't quite match the PS4's first Nov NPD after launch, even with being $100 cheaper and having plenty of stock, but it was still close. Of course, that was the year PS4 had stock issues in Nov, leading to a XBO victory, so it could have been worse for the Switch. 

The real problem for Nintendo comes in 2019. It'll be a full year of people realizing that AA and AAA studios aren't porting all, or most, of their games to the Switch. Its launch hype will have faded and it will be still be competing in the very competitive mobile market. And, more importantly, we will be approaching the announcement of the PS5.  When the Switch is mostly sitting still (I do expect a slightly upgraded model, eventually), home consoles will be yet another generation ahead of the Switch. This is going to make the port situation even more sketchy, unless it greatly outpaces the 3DS, which I don't see happening. 

Of course, it's not all doom and gloom. The Switch will still continue to do great in Japan and get plenty of support there. Everywhere else it will still do OK/good. The real problem is how fickle the mobile market is. Ever since it went mainstream, it cut the handheld market in more than half. We went from the PSP and DS selling more than 230M units, to the 3DS and Vita not even hitting 100M.  I think it will shrink a little bit more this gen, too. 

We'll just have to wait and see how things settle in 2018. I could see the Switch continuing strong and matching the sales of the 3DS, but I could also see how it could falter in the years to come and not hit 50M.



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thismeintiel said:
Veknoid_Outcast said:
I guess I just don't get why some folks constantly hammer home the viewpoint that Switch (or any Nintendo system) is dead in the water without "AAA" third-party games. There's just no precedent for that notion. If anything, there's precedent for the opposite. When Nintendo tried to accommodate AAA third-parties and/or count on them to fill gaps in its software line-up, it was typically unsuccessful. See GCN, WiiU.

When Nintendo creates a platform designed to succeed in the absence of AAA third-party support, it usually flourishes. See GBA, DS, Wii, 3DS, and now Switch.

You're joking, right? All of those you mentioned (we'll see how the Switch continues in this regard) as successes had GREAT 3rd party support, especially in Japan. The only one that is questionable is the Wii. But, that is only because it got shovelware, not because it lacked 3rd party games. Which could explain its sales nosediving after its 3rd year.

 

@ OP

I'm on the fence on this one. The Switch has had a really good start. It didn't quite match the PS4's first Nov NPD after launch, even with being $100 cheaper and having plenty of stock, but it was still close. Of course, that was the year PS4 had stock issues in Nov, leading to a XBO victory, so it could have been worse for the Switch. 

The real problem for Nintendo comes in 2019. It'll be a full year of people realizing that AA and AAA studios aren't porting all, or most, of their games to the Switch. Its launch hype will have faded and it will be still be competing in the very competitive mobile market. And, more importantly, we will be approaching the announcement of the PS5.  When the Switch is mostly sitting still (I do expect a slightly upgraded model, eventually), home consoles will be yet another generation ahead of the Switch. This is going to make the port situation even more sketchy, unless it greatly outpaces the 3DS, which I don't see happening. 

Of course, it's not all doom and gloom. The Switch will still continue to do great in Japan and get plenty of support there. Everywhere else it will still do OK/good. The real problem is how fickle the mobile market is. Ever since it went mainstream, it cut the handheld market in more than half. We went from the PSP and DS selling more than 230M units, to the 3DS and Vita not even hitting 100M.  I think it will shrink a little bit more this gen, too. 

We'll just have to wait and see how things settle in 2018. I could see the Switch continuing strong and matching the sales of the 3DS, but I could also see how it could falter in the years to come and not hit 50M.

AAA third party support does not equal third party support.



Veknoid_Outcast said:

AAA third party support does not equal third party support.

Its crazy that some people dont understand this.

Switch is the successor to Wii U, 3DS and essentially Vita as well.

Thats means excellent support from Nintendo, indies, Japan & kid/family software with moderate AAA support.



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Flilix said:
Nem said:

In half of this site, everything that isn't praise to Nintendo is taken as a troll. Give it a rest. People are entitled to their opinions and it IS interesting to talk about it rather than shut it down.

When someone makes a controversial thread, and then he doesn't post in it anymore, it does feel like a troll.

What kind of discussion can there be when 80% of the comments are inflammatory just cause he has a different opinion. Where do you think that conversation is gonna go?



Nem said:
Flilix said:

When someone makes a controversial thread, and then he doesn't post in it anymore, it does feel like a troll.

What kind of discussion can there be when 80% of the comments are inflammatory just cause he has a different opinion. Where do you think that conversation is gonna go?

The fact that he didn't even react to the post that asked to define what a failure was, shows that he doesn't even want to properly defend his opinion. And if he's too afraid to argue with people who don't agree with him, he shouldn't have made this thread in the first place.



I’ll make sure it won’t fail with a sale soon. Switch has already more system selling software than other systems after 4 years.