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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS4 worldwide sales top 70.6 million, PlayStation VR tops two million

zorg1000 on 07 December 2017
Errorist76 said:
zorg1000 said:

 

Like Teeqoz said, PS2 was only available in Japan for the first 8-9 months whiich skews things.

When aligning launches per region, PS2 is still ahead.

You have a point but I’m not sure if it’s valid to take that into account. I’m sure even in the West PS2 also launched in much less countries back then as PS4 did. So where do we start and where do we stop differenciating?!

Its absolutely valid, releasing in United States, Canada, UK, France, Germany, etc. 8-9 months later makes a MASSIVE difference.

I get what you're saying though, its impossible to make a 100% accurate comparison since each console could have released in secondary/tertiary countries at different points in their lives but being in ONLY Japan for 8-9 months vs America+Europe is a really big difference.



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zorg1000 on 07 December 2017
Hiku said:
Shikamo said:

I think in the same period Wii has sold between 76-77m, but PS4 will have more legs for sure.

Either way, Wii was much cheaper, and attracted soccer moms who bought it to play Wii Sports/Fit once, and never touched it again.
I'm more impressed by systems that are purely targeting gamers (For obvious reasons. Because gamers are more likely to invest in more software/subscriptions/DLC), and selling really well.

I still think PS2 numbers are too far into the future to have that conversation right now, but comparing to PS3, PS4 is clearly looking significantly better.

Idk you could argue that its more impressive that someone was able to sell a gaming console to non gamers



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Teeqoz on 07 December 2017
ThisGuyFooks said:
Errorist76 said:

You have a point but I’m not sure if it’s valid to take that into account. I’m sure even in the West PS2 also launched in much less countries back then as PS4 did. So where do we start and where do we stop differenciating?!

It is obvious that no launch will be the same as the other.

There will be regions, stock, price, etc situations that will "skew" the comparison from one launch to another.

Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2.

Everyone is free to dig deeper tho.

Yes, but the PS2 only being available in a single country for 9 months is a pretty huge factor that is very easy to identify. You don't have to dig at all. It's pretty obvious. It's silly to ignore just to be able to say "the PS4 is ahead of the PS2".



wings on 07 December 2017

 PlayStation 2 had reached 100 million units as of November 29th, 2005, breaking the record as the fastest computer entertainment platform to reach this remarkable figure. This achievement comes within 5 years and 9 months since its launch in Japan in March 2000,

https://lockergnome.com/2005/11/30/ps2-shipments-reach-100-million-units/

If PS4 hits 100 million Shipped by december 2018, then it easily out shipped the PS2 even giving the PS2 the credit of an early Japan launch.   



ThisGuyFooks on 07 December 2017
Hiku said:
ThisGuyFooks said:

There are no systems as supported in the long term as Playstation consoles.

That is why they have legs, while consoles like the Wii dropped in sales like a car hitting a brick wall because it was basically abandoned in the transition to the Wii U.

Well it's also been a very long time since Nintendo had a successful traditional console (aside from Wii). The potential for longer console cycles was different back in the days of SNES, when 3D consoles started appearing on the market and would essentially force a 3D successor to SNES prematurely even if they wanted to stay with it for longer.

Today we have Sony and Microsoft releasing mid cycle console refresh systems, that could potentially prolong the generation. If Nintendo had been very successful with something like WiiU, I wouldn't rule out that we could have seen a longer than normal life cycle for that system. They treated the DS that way, which got replaced only after 6 years and 3 months.

Id like to know what is Nintendo's plan in the long term.

Most people here seem to agree that Nintendo will streamline their consoles to one, the Switch, after they drop the 3DS.



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Kerotan on 07 December 2017
AngryLittleAlchemist said:
Kerotan said:

Depends what the price is for most of the year. Personally I think we will have a $249 -1TB ps4 with a bundled game before they sell it for $199 permanently from next holiday. 

 

I'd expect a super slim to launch at $199

Oh btw. Do you actually think a Slim Pro will happen? I thought I remembered you saying that, that'd be interesting.

Yeah pro slim seems inevitable. I personally think we will get a ps4 super slim. 2 to 3 years before the ps5 and ps4 will sell for a few years after. Especially in developing markets. They'd be crazy not to make a super slim that one day will sell for $149 or maybe even cheaper. 



ThisGuyFooks on 07 December 2017
Teeqoz said:
ThisGuyFooks said:

It is obvious that no launch will be the same as the other.

There will be regions, stock, price, etc situations that will "skew" the comparison from one launch to another.

Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2.

Everyone is free to dig deeper tho.

Yes, but the PS2 only being available in a single country for 9 months is a pretty huge factor that is very easy to identify. You don't have to dig at all. It's pretty obvious. It's silly to ignore just to be able to say "the PS4 is ahead of the PS2".

Im basing my comment in ZhugeEX tweet where he literally said it.

Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2.

That is a factually correct statement.



ThisGuyFooks on 07 December 2017
Teeqoz said:
ThisGuyFooks said:

It is obvious that no launch will be the same as the other.

There will be regions, stock, price, etc situations that will "skew" the comparison from one launch to another.

Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2.

Everyone is free to dig deeper tho.

Yes, but the PS2 only being available in a single country for 9 months is a pretty huge factor that is very easy to identify. You don't have to dig at all. It's pretty obvious. It's silly to ignore just to be able to say "the PS4 is ahead of the PS2".

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Teeqoz on 07 December 2017
ThisGuyFooks said:
Teeqoz said:

Yes, but the PS2 only being available in a single country for 9 months is a pretty huge factor that is very easy to identify. You don't have to dig at all. It's pretty obvious. It's silly to ignore just to be able to say "the PS4 is ahead of the PS2".

Im basing my comment in ZhugeEX tweet where he literally said it.

Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2.

That is a factually correct statement.

I haven't said otherwise. I'm just saying that the factually correct statement "Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2" holds little value without considering the difference in the staggered launches.



ThisGuyFooks on 07 December 2017
Teeqoz said:
ThisGuyFooks said:

Im basing my comment in ZhugeEX tweet where he literally said it.

Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2.

That is a factually correct statement.

I haven't said otherwise. I'm just saying that the factually correct statement "Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2" holds little value without considering the difference in the staggered launches.

But is factual nonetheless.

Launches aligned, the PS4 is ahead of the PS2.