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Pemalite said:
Aeolus451 said:

Yes, you are.

At the moment, pedophilia, bestiality and incest have nothing to do with gays but it will if those groups have their way.

No. YOU aren't getting it! Those groups CANT get "their way". - You are making a false assertion.

Something that is blatantly illegal as it destroys the lives of children will NEVER be legal, because of stupidly obvious reasons.
1) It's abuse.
2) It's abuse.
3) It's abuse.
Get it now? Abuse is illegal.

Aeolus451 said:
They want to be included in LGBT.

Stiff shit. They aren't.

Aeolus451 said:
It how's transsexualism and homosexuality have something to do with each other. Any acceptance of them or laws made on the behalf of LGBT is shared between the groups under that umbrella term.

Yeah, nah. You don't have much of an idea on LGBTQI issues it seems.
Trans is a gender issue. So is Intersex.
Homosexuality, Bisexuality and so on is a sexuality issue.

All are represented equally under the rainbow.

Aeolus451 said:
I'm not really making a slippery slop argument.

You ARE making a slippery slope argument.

You are asserting that by legalizing same-sex marriage... Things like Pedophilia, Bestiality and so on will become legalized.
THAT is a slippery slope argument and THAT is a logical fallacy. Which means it's flatout wrong.

Aeolus451 said:
 There's people that are pushing for pedophilia, bestiality and incest to being made legal and being socially acceptable by having them associated/treated the same as LGBT. If that happens, good luck getting anymore laws passed related to LGBT. 

And? A few nut jobs pushing for something doesn't mean it's ever going to be legal. And those same nut jobs would have pushed for the same thing regardless if same-sex marriage was legal or not.
I mean there are flat-earth conspiracy theorists who wish for the globe-earth model to no longer be taught in schools in favor of the flat-earth model, not only are they complete and utter morons... But it's never going to happen. Period.

You need to live in the real world, not conspiracy theories, what-if scenarios, baseless fear mongering is well... Baseless.

Besides, a group of child and animal abusers is NO excuse for denying same-sex marriage to LGBTQI people... And obviously Australia (And most of the industrialized world) seems to agree.

Aeolus451 said:
I'll play the devil's advocate about the slippery slope not being a logical fallacy using what we're talking about.

You can pretend it is whatever you want. But it is certainly a slippery slope argument and a logical fallacy and thus nonsensical and thus something I cannot possible adhere to.

Aeolus451 said:
Yesterday, we were discussing accepting transsexuals, now we're talking about if trans-age, trans-racial, trans-species, non-binary, etc are a real thing. I'm not against transsexuals btw.

Transexuals have always existed. They have always been represented in the LGBT community, why you are even going on about them beats me. They have nothing to do with your prior Pedophilia or Bestiality claims/examples.

I mean think about it. (The original lettering)
L = Lesbian.
G = Gay.
B = Bi-Sexual.
T = Trans.

(More modern additions.)
Q = Queer.
I = Intersex.



You forget that all of LGBT used to be considered immoral, was against the law and wrong. Shit changed. Those groups are trying the same thing by weeding their way into LGBT. You're just denying it by saying it won't happen while they are trying day after day to get in while there's no or little of the LGBT pushing back.  

Not once in anything I wrote did I ever say that I'm against legalizing gay marriage because of any reason. Either stop projecting some position I don't have or bring up a strawman. I was just trying to get you to see his points about pedos mirroring the LGBT community's talking points. 



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Aeolus451 said:

You forget that all of LGBT used to be considered immoral, was against the law and wrong. Shit changed. Those groups are trying the same thing by weeding their way into LGBT. You're just denying it by saying it won't happen while they are trying day after day to get in while there's no or little of the LGBT pushing back.  

Not once in anything I wrote did I ever say that I'm against legalizing gay marriage because of any reason. Either stop projecting some position I don't have or bring up a strawman. I was just trying to get you to see his points about pedos mirroring the LGBT community's talking points. 

So, essentially it sounds like you don't want any change to ever happen because there is a possibility of something bad happening.



Aeolus451 said:
Pemalite said:

No. YOU aren't getting it! Those groups CANT get "their way". - You are making a false assertion.

Something that is blatantly illegal as it destroys the lives of children will NEVER be legal, because of stupidly obvious reasons.
1) It's abuse.
2) It's abuse.
3) It's abuse.
Get it now? Abuse is illegal.

Stiff shit. They aren't.

Yeah, nah. You don't have much of an idea on LGBTQI issues it seems.
Trans is a gender issue. So is Intersex.
Homosexuality, Bisexuality and so on is a sexuality issue.

All are represented equally under the rainbow.

You ARE making a slippery slope argument.

You are asserting that by legalizing same-sex marriage... Things like Pedophilia, Bestiality and so on will become legalized.
THAT is a slippery slope argument and THAT is a logical fallacy. Which means it's flatout wrong.

And? A few nut jobs pushing for something doesn't mean it's ever going to be legal. And those same nut jobs would have pushed for the same thing regardless if same-sex marriage was legal or not.
I mean there are flat-earth conspiracy theorists who wish for the globe-earth model to no longer be taught in schools in favor of the flat-earth model, not only are they complete and utter morons... But it's never going to happen. Period.

You need to live in the real world, not conspiracy theories, what-if scenarios, baseless fear mongering is well... Baseless.

Besides, a group of child and animal abusers is NO excuse for denying same-sex marriage to LGBTQI people... And obviously Australia (And most of the industrialized world) seems to agree.

You can pretend it is whatever you want. But it is certainly a slippery slope argument and a logical fallacy and thus nonsensical and thus something I cannot possible adhere to.

Transexuals have always existed. They have always been represented in the LGBT community, why you are even going on about them beats me. They have nothing to do with your prior Pedophilia or Bestiality claims/examples.

I mean think about it. (The original lettering)
L = Lesbian.
G = Gay.
B = Bi-Sexual.
T = Trans.

(More modern additions.)
Q = Queer.
I = Intersex.



You forget that all of LGBT used to be considered immoral, was against the law and wrong. Shit changed. Those groups are trying the same thing by weeding their way into LGBT. You're just denying it by saying it won't happen while they are trying day after day to get in while there's no or little of the LGBT pushing back.  

Not once in anything I wrote did I ever say that I'm against legalizing gay marriage because of any reason. Either stop projecting some position I don't have or bring up a strawman. I was just trying to get you to see his points about pedos mirroring the LGBT community's talking points. 

But homosexuality was unfairly illegal cause the society was wrong and they realized about it, however society is never going to accept something as pedophilia and bestiality because it makes all the sense of the world for those to be illegal, they are abusive, homosexuality is not abusive, the fact that you aren't able to see the differences is almost offensive, a healthy modern society is never going to accept any kind of sexual abuse.



VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

You forget that all of LGBT used to be considered immoral, was against the law and wrong. Shit changed. Those groups are trying the same thing by weeding their way into LGBT. You're just denying it by saying it won't happen while they are trying day after day to get in while there's no or little of the LGBT pushing back.  

Not once in anything I wrote did I ever say that I'm against legalizing gay marriage because of any reason. Either stop projecting some position I don't have or bring up a strawman. I was just trying to get you to see his points about pedos mirroring the LGBT community's talking points. 

So, essentially it sounds like you don't want any change to ever happen because there is a possibility of something bad happening.

Did say that or anything close to it? Gay people should be able to get married. LGBT should put a stop anytime one of those groups tries to get included into the LGBT movement or whenever they mirror LGBT talking points. I didn't have any other position.  



Aeolus451 said:
VGPolyglot said:

So, essentially it sounds like you don't want any change to ever happen because there is a possibility of something bad happening.

Did say that or anything close to it?  Stop projecting. Gay people should be able to get married. LGBT should put a stop anytime one of those groups tries to get included into the LGBT movement or whenever they mirror LGBT talking points. I didn't have any other position.  

How was I projecting in any way?



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Goodnightmoon said:
Aeolus451 said:

You forget that all of LGBT used to be considered immoral, was against the law and wrong. Shit changed. Those groups are trying the same thing by weeding their way into LGBT. You're just denying it by saying it won't happen while they are trying day after day to get in while there's no or little of the LGBT pushing back.  

Not once in anything I wrote did I ever say that I'm against legalizing gay marriage because of any reason. Either stop projecting some position I don't have or bring up a strawman. I was just trying to get you to see his points about pedos mirroring the LGBT community's talking points. 

But homosexuality was unfairly illegal cause the society was wrong and they realized about it, however society is never going to accept something as pedophilia and bestiality because it makes all the sense of the world for those to be illegal, they are abusive, homosexuality is not abusive, the fact that you aren't able to see the differences is almost offensive, a healthy modern society is never going to accept any kind of sexual abuse.

Would you guys stop projecting that I have opinions that I don' thave. Anyway, I disagree with the bolded part. What's "wrong" is largely subjective. Depending on where and when, it changes drastically. In ancient Japan, it was okay for samurai to have sex with young boys. In different parts of the middle east, it's okay to kill people for being gay. In this group of people it's normal for the adults to molest the young males. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Etoro_people

My point is that social norms can and do change over time. It's not about right or wrong. Anyway, pedophilia could become legal and socially accepted by most if just left alone.  



VGPolyglot said:
Aeolus451 said:

Did say that or anything close to it?  Stop projecting. Gay people should be able to get married. LGBT should put a stop anytime one of those groups tries to get included into the LGBT movement or whenever they mirror LGBT talking points. I didn't have any other position.  

How was I projecting in any way?

"sounds like you don't want any change to ever happen because there is a possibility of something bad happening". I'm just trying to snip it in the butt. I'm debating with a few people and some of them keep assuming things I didn't say or that I hold a position on something when I didn't mention it. 



Aeolus451 said:

You forget that all of LGBT used to be considered immoral, was against the law and wrong. Shit changed. Those groups are trying the same thing by weeding their way into LGBT. You're just denying it by saying it won't happen while they are trying day after day to get in while there's no or little of the LGBT pushing back.

You aren't getting it.
It doesn't matter if the LGBT community was considered immoral, against the law and wrong and that shit changed.

The LGBT community were not abusing children, they were not destroying childrens lives, that is the fundamental difference here, which is why your argument is ultimately... Stupid.

Pedophilia will never be legal because...
1) It's abuse.
2) It's abuse.
3) It's abuse.

Homosexuality is not abuse because it is TWO ADULTS providing consent.
Understand now? They are both chalk and cheese.

Aeolus451 said:

Not once in anything I wrote did I ever say that I'm against legalizing gay marriage because of any reason. Either stop projecting some position I don't have or bring up a strawman. I was just trying to get you to see his points about pedos mirroring the LGBT community's talking points. 


But you are using a slippery slope argument by leveraging the same-sex marriage issue which is a logical fallacy which is nonsensical.

Aeolus451 said:

Did say that or anything close to it? Gay people should be able to get married. LGBT should put a stop anytime one of those groups tries to get included into the LGBT movement or whenever they mirror LGBT talking points. I didn't have any other position.  

Since WHEN has the LGBT community EVER wanted pedophiles lumped in with them? They haven't. Want to know why? Because Adults destroying childrens lives is not love, it is not equality and is thus everything the LGBT community goes against.

It is not up to the LGBT community to stop Pedophilia or Bestiality, it is up to society, the legal system and the government, the LGBT community are not the damn police.

Aeolus451 said:

My point is that social norms can and do change over time. It's not about right or wrong. Anyway, pedophilia could become legal and socially accepted by most if just left alone.  

That is a conspiracy theory, not the truth. And has absolutely nothing to do with Same-sex marriage, the LGBT community or Homosexuality and thus should be treated as such.



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Left wing progressives and political correctness won here. Since the 9/11 event there has been a huge transition towards left wing progressive politics destroying the great days of conservatism and Capitalism. Europe, Australia and And America have become so left wing, so politically correct and more Socialist by the day it is a joke.
I wish I lived 50+ years ago and not endured the nonsense of left wing political correct hysteria.



Dark_Lord_2008 said:
Left wing progressives and political correctness won here. Since the 9/11 event there has been a huge transition towards left wing progressive politics destroying the great days of conservatism and Capitalism. Europe, Australia and And America have become so left wing, so politically correct and more Socialist by the day it is a joke.
I wish I lived 50+ years ago and not endured the nonsense of left wing political correct hysteria.

Giving gay people equal rights = political correctness?