Aeolus451 said:
I think that's you're missing Azzanation's point. There's a growing pro-pedophilia movement that's trying to ride the coattails of LGBT (to be included in the umbrella term and become associated with that movement). There's also people who are into bestiality and incest that are also trying the same thing. They try to mirror any of the their talking points or slogans. The LGBT would be wise to counter that stuff. Alot of people are cool with gays and can accept them but there's a line with the other stuff.
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I am not missing his point.
Pedophilia, Beastiality and Incest have nothing to do with Homosexuality and thus should be treated as such.
Two of those things do not account for Adult consent and thus will NEVER be socially acceptable or legalized in Australian law.
Slippery slope logical fallacies should not be something that is taken seriously.
Locknuts said:
Well I believe in minimum government necessary. Just because I am conservative doesn't mean I will fight change under all circumstances. In fact I will embrace change if it means giving the government less power over people's lives. It rarely seems to go that way though.
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I tend to be on the center-left of the political spectrum.
And I would also believe in minimum government.
However... I would rather the Government have control of legislation/law than religion who have a bloody and abusive history, which in some parts of the world continue to even this day.
Smaller Government I think is something that everyone can get behind, especially if it removes bureaucratic bloat.
Locknuts said:
I was thinking today about the stolen generation and how the solution was not to allow the government to take children from white families, but instead to stop government interference in people's relationships, because even when the government means well, they usually get it wrong. The more power they have: the more damage they do.
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The stolen generation and same-sex marriage aren't even in the same context though.
The stolen generation was about the destruction of families.
But you are correct that the Government shouldn't have interfered to such a degree.
Locknuts said:
On the issue of religious institutions having power, their power would only be cultural in nature. A separation of church and state ensures that there cannot be legal punishments for religious 'sins'.
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Yeah nah. That's a fools errand. The Church is an extremely powerful entity and will exert influence anyway it can.
You would actually need the Government to step in and regulate the church even more heavily than it does currently, which erodes on your other desire for a smaller Government.
And none of that changes the fact that you did vote no... Which means you don't wish for all Australians to be treated and seen as equals within the eyes of the current law framework.
Locknuts said:
I don't want government influencing our nations' culture. The culture should develop naturally and government should simply represent those views
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Our Government is part of our Culture, it's been an influencer of Australian culture for centuries, why should that change? That's not very conservative of you. :P
For example... The New South Wales Government owns the Sydney Opera House, which is a massive cultural landmark in Australia, would Australia be better off culturally if that building was never built? Think about it.
And think about how often that building is referenced in movies, tv and music and other forms of media. (Independence Day for example.)
Locknuts said:
I could get into the ways in which christian values have improved western society, but that's a topic for another time. I don't believe that Jesus was the son of an actual God, but that doesn't mean his teachings weren't incredibly important in shaping the civilisation with the highest standards of living and longest life expectancy in human history.
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I don't believe in any of the theistic accounts outlined in the Bible as it comes into contradiction with many scientific precedents.
But I do believe in the Australian Constitution and where it protects and supports the idea of Freedom of Religion and it's implied right of Freedom from Religion.
And you know what? There are nations which have never been strongly theistic which are advanced, developed nations... And there are dozens of nations that are extremely religious and have some of the worlds worst human-rights track records that will make your skin crawl.
Ergo. Religion is not a requirement for a country to be successful.
As for "Christian Values". - The Bible is just as bad as the Torah and Quran in my opinion... And thus I would argue they are actually immoral and in some extreme cases dangerous. - Thus I would hate for them to have any kind of complete control on ANY aspect of Australian society.