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DonFerrari on 18 December 2017
MrRoops said:
Errorist76 said:

what about  is going to contain don't you understand?! He always said it will evolve over time.

There is a reason body modifications aren't possible in an online focused racing game. Did GT6 have a livery editor?! Did it have a Scapes mode?! Did it have an iRacing rivalling online mode?! As I told you already, even though the normal single player content is structured differently than before it still has a lot of content already.

What did you expect?! PD aren't like Turn 10 who hire indian and chinese companies to model the cars for them. If you'd know a thing about game development you'd actually try to understand, but you're just here hating anyway, so whatever.

sure they are, but ok lol.  GT6 sure was supposed to have it, was announced and on the official GT6 page.  And in typical Kaz lies and broken promises fashion it never happened.  

LoL actually the liver editor, was first announced at Tokyo game show 2006.  https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-i-want-a-livery-editor-thread.282353/

And i'm not a racist like you,  i think it's great TT hires out to world wide developers like the Chinese and Indians and given me a full content filled game.

 

What a reaching... in what manner is he racist to comment that T10 outsorce to India and China for cheap modeling while PD do it in house?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Errorist76 on 18 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
MrRoops said:

sure they are, but ok lol.  GT6 sure was supposed to have it, was announced and on the official GT6 page.  And in typical Kaz lies and broken promises fashion it never happened.  

LoL actually the liver editor, was first announced at Tokyo game show 2006.  https://www.gtplanet.net/forum/threads/the-i-want-a-livery-editor-thread.282353/

And i'm not a racist like you,  i think it's great TT hires out to world wide developers like the Chinese and Indians and given me a full content filled game.

 

What a reaching... in what manner is he racist to comment that T10 outsorce to India and China for cheap modeling while PD do it in house?

Thank you, I don't even know what to say to this guy anymore.. I won't.



DonFerrari on 18 December 2017
Errorist76 said:
DonFerrari said:

What a reaching... in what manner is he racist to comment that T10 outsorce to India and China for cheap modeling while PD do it in house?

Thank you, I don't even know what to say to this guy anymore.. I won't.

You are wellcome, sometimes people will go over any boundaries to win an argument.



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

MrRoops on 18 December 2017
Errorist76 said:
DonFerrari said:

What a reaching... in what manner is he racist to comment that T10 outsorce to India and China for cheap modeling while PD do it in house?

Thank you, I don't even know what to say to this guy anymore.. I won't.

In a manner that he's painting it as a negative that Forza's content was made by Chinese or Indians.

 

 



MrRoops on 18 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
MrRoops said:

 

Low xbox sales led to lower sales, or you think less then a 3rd user base does not affect game sales.  Especially racing games, in europe.  

IF PD created a good game like TT constantely doesmuch with MS support, GTsport would have sold a way way better.  

So you want to make me believe that a game that sold 2M on a 30M userbase would magically have sold 5M on a userbase of 70M? Because that is the line of your posting.

I have put about 10 times the comparison of FW, FM, LT sale for games like GT, FM, GoW (gears) and Halo, and you see what is quite relevant on then... the size of userbase had almost no relevancy.

And as you claim Forza is the best console simulator, why isn't people buying X1 to play it, but funny enough they are buying PS4 to play the poor excuse for a game that is GTS?

Your Forza numbers lack digital don't they, you have no real idea what Forza is actually selling this gen.     

Yet highest selling Halo and highest selling Gt just happened to sale on on highest selling xbox and PS.  How much did Kart sale on GC compared to wii ?

My line of posting is user base and saturation matters, being yearly franchise will lower individual games sales.  And no honest person can pretend X1s sales had no impact, especially in Europe as i already stated.  But i get it you want to defend a sub par product, so you avoid facts that matter.   

PS4 sold 65 million before GT, who in the hell bought one for GTSport especially given its lackluster sales.  BArgain bin in a month, how they mighty have fallen.  

 




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Chris Hu on 18 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
MrRoops said:

 

Low xbox sales led to lower sales, or you think less then a 3rd user base does not affect game sales.  Especially racing games, in europe.  

IF PD created a good game like TT constantely doesmuch with MS support, GTsport would have sold a way way better.  

So you want to make me believe that a game that sold 2M on a 30M userbase would magically have sold 5M on a userbase of 70M? Because that is the line of your posting.

I have put about 10 times the comparison of FW, FM, LT sale for games like GT, FM, GoW (gears) and Halo, and you see what is quite relevant on then... the size of userbase had almost no relevancy.

And as you claim Forza is the best console simulator, why isn't people buying X1 to play it, but funny enough they are buying PS4 to play the poor excuse for a game that is GTS?

I highly doubt anybody actually buys a PS4 just to play GTS also the only time Turn 10 outsourced some of its work was with Forza Motorsport 4.  Since 5 all the work has been done in house. 



DonFerrari on 18 December 2017
MrRoops said:
DonFerrari said:

So you want to make me believe that a game that sold 2M on a 30M userbase would magically have sold 5M on a userbase of 70M? Because that is the line of your posting.

I have put about 10 times the comparison of FW, FM, LT sale for games like GT, FM, GoW (gears) and Halo, and you see what is quite relevant on then... the size of userbase had almost no relevancy.

And as you claim Forza is the best console simulator, why isn't people buying X1 to play it, but funny enough they are buying PS4 to play the poor excuse for a game that is GTS?

Your Forza numbers lack digital don't they, you have no real idea what Forza is actually selling this gen.     

Yet highest selling Halo and highest selling Gt just happened to sale on on highest selling xbox and PS.  How much did Kart sale on GC compared to wii ?

My line of posting is user base and saturation matters, being yearly franchise will lower individual games sales.  And no honest person can pretend X1s sales had no impact, especially in Europe as i already stated.  But i get it you want to defend a sub par product, so you avoid facts that matter.   

PS4 sold 65 million before GT, who in the hell bought one for GTSport especially given its lackluster sales.  BArgain bin in a month, how they mighty have fallen.  

Owww so we are on one of those times that only the game on MS console have crazy high digital attach ratio?? Because unless you have any source otherwise the digital attach ratio is similar, so your attempt to make better numbers failed.

Highest selling Halo debutted when the console was 15M in userbase, while the sequels done much lower on higher userbase.

So let me understand, you want Sony to copy MS way of dealing with the franchise, but then use the fatigue (that is a MS decision) to excuse sales decline?

Look at the spike of sales on BF for GTS, and you may not believe but there were people waiting for it launching to buy it.

Chris Hu said:
DonFerrari said:

So you want to make me believe that a game that sold 2M on a 30M userbase would magically have sold 5M on a userbase of 70M? Because that is the line of your posting.

I have put about 10 times the comparison of FW, FM, LT sale for games like GT, FM, GoW (gears) and Halo, and you see what is quite relevant on then... the size of userbase had almost no relevancy.

And as you claim Forza is the best console simulator, why isn't people buying X1 to play it, but funny enough they are buying PS4 to play the poor excuse for a game that is GTS?

I highly doubt anybody actually buys a PS4 just to play GTS also the only time Turn 10 outsourced some of its work was with Forza Motorsport 4.  Since 5 all the work has been done in house. 

Do you have any source for all in house? Because only have been able to found was that they outsorces parts of the game (not that it really matter, that is a decision of the dev if they want to increase size, dev time or outsorce, as long as the material is good the origin isn't of much importance).



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Chris Hu on 18 December 2017
DonFerrari said:
MrRoops said:

Your Forza numbers lack digital don't they, you have no real idea what Forza is actually selling this gen.     

Yet highest selling Halo and highest selling Gt just happened to sale on on highest selling xbox and PS.  How much did Kart sale on GC compared to wii ?

My line of posting is user base and saturation matters, being yearly franchise will lower individual games sales.  And no honest person can pretend X1s sales had no impact, especially in Europe as i already stated.  But i get it you want to defend a sub par product, so you avoid facts that matter.   

PS4 sold 65 million before GT, who in the hell bought one for GTSport especially given its lackluster sales.  BArgain bin in a month, how they mighty have fallen.  

Owww so we are on one of those times that only the game on MS console have crazy high digital attach ratio?? Because unless you have any source otherwise the digital attach ratio is similar, so your attempt to make better numbers failed.

Highest selling Halo debutted when the console was 15M in userbase, while the sequels done much lower on higher userbase.

So let me understand, you want Sony to copy MS way of dealing with the franchise, but then use the fatigue (that is a MS decision) to excuse sales decline?

Look at the spike of sales on BF for GTS, and you may not believe but there were people waiting for it launching to buy it.

Chris Hu said:

I highly doubt anybody actually buys a PS4 just to play GTS also the only time Turn 10 outsourced some of its work was with Forza Motorsport 4.  Since 5 all the work has been done in house. 

Do you have any source for all in house? Because only have been able to found was that they outsorces parts of the game (not that it really matter, that is a decision of the dev if they want to increase size, dev time or outsorce, as long as the material is good the origin isn't of much importance).

I don't have any source but its pretty much common knowledge that the only Forza game that had some work outsourced is Forza Motorsports 4.