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Forums - Politics Discussion - Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

 

Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
irstupid said:
Machiavellian said:

This is why the President should actually shut up about things until he gets all the information.  HD stated they were shifting production of their bikes oversees for guess what oversees customers.  HD bikes for America will still be made here.  HD is an international company not just an American one.  The stupid knee jerk reaction by our President could cost HD millions only because he has a large following of people not smart enough to get the whole picture not just half of it.  The fact he is making threats about a situations he has no real info on is also a concern.  This is just another example of Trump leading with his mouth before he understands what the hell he is talking about.

I was talking about seeing an article about upset Harley fans before Trump said anything. Most likely anything Trump said was because he also saw that article or another similar one. He seems to react to articles or news programs.

So his fanbase did not get mad at HD because of Trump, they were mad already. Trump reacted cause he saw his fanbase was mad, and also he reacts to every single company that even hints at moving production out of the US.

First you need to find this article since I could not find it.  What I do know is that Trump is president now, not some private business owner.  His word caries way more weight and when its spoken in ignorance can have very damaging results.  No matter how you paint it, he did knee jerk a response on twitter and HD has to deal with the fall out of bad info.  Uninformed people believe Trump is talking from actual knowledge but instead he is not.

At BOLDED:  I have to call you out on this.  First you do not even know what Trump read or did not read.  You state his fanbase was mad and Trump reacted to this but there is nothing that supports this stance.  Instead there is exact evidence that Trump spoke without knowing anything of HD plans besides they are shifting production.  Also, HD is an international company that have plants throughout Europe because they sell there just like Honda, BMW have plants in the US because they sell here.  The fact that Trump spoke from ignorance and when proven wrong as always will not back down because he can never be wrong kept the lie going.

Also lets not forget that Trump and his family has multiple production that happen outside of the US.  He has made no effort to even bring one back to the states.  He is more prone to use materials made outside of the US then here.  Come back to me when Trump actually stop caring about make as big a profit he can and use US companies for his clothing line then maybe he will not look like a complete hypocrite. 



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massimus said:

 

irstupid said:

Don't you love his response to you. He nitpicks out one small aspect of your post and says he can't be bothered to argue with you because of it.

But I always loved that about Democrats in regards to Federal Assistance. They LOVE to tout how many people they added to some assistance program like its a good thing. Like in what world would someone brag about "more people than ever are now on food stamps, or welfare" How can that possibly be a good thing.

Yup lol. It’s the same as Obama had a 8 year stagnate economy because he was fixing bush fuck ups and it’s finally kicking in after trump was elected lmao. How dense do you have to be?

The economy wasn’t stagnant for 8 years under Obama, GDP increased 30% and the US stock market tripled in value from 2009 to 2016, unemployment dropped from 9.8% to 4.9% in the same period.



I describe myself as a little dose of toxic masculinity.

deskpro2k3 said:
massimus said:

Really so if I follow that link I will find that Obama created a slew of manufacturing and private sector jobs? I know that’s bullshit but I’m going to check later when I’m not on my phone and at work and if not I’m going to call you out on your bullshit.

 

its a cold hard fact that solyndra couldn’t stand on its own legs sure. I agree. It’s not the government’s job to prop up companies, there is a name for public/private sector hybrids. It’s called fascism. Do you agree with the bank and automotive bailouts? 

no i don't agree with the bank and automotive bailouts, if GM were building factories here in the US instead of China then I wouldn't mind.

 

Can look at this one too. https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

I don't know how you feel about cnn, but you can look at this one as well. http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/index.html

Ok that first one lmao. NPR, the state funded organization. The first source is a white house tweet, that's not a source that's propaganda lmao. NPR is essentially propaganda. State funded broadcasting. I won't get into that. Next it links to a source article in the wall street journal that i will quote, follow the link that says "The unemployment rate is already near a nine-year low, as Steven Russolillo at the Wall Street Journal pointed out this week, and there is some question among economists how low it can go.".

You will find that the article has put what I said in a more elegant way lol.

 

"Of course, the headline unemployment rate alone doesn’t tell the full story. The economy is in a much different state now than it was in the late 1990s. Wage growth has only recently started to improve. Overall participation in the labor force is still historically low. And full-time jobs aren’t as plentiful as they used to be. New research shows a majority of jobs created from 2005 through 2015 were considered “alternative work”—either temporary or contract employment, according to economists Lawrence Katz of Harvard University and Alan Krueger at Princeton University.

That helps explain why a broader measure of underemployment, which the government classifies as the “U-6,” is still elevated. It has been trending lower and fell to 9.3% in November, although that is a far cry from its precrisis low of 7.9%. And the Federal Reserve only has raised interest rates twice in this economic expansion, with Chairwoman Janet Yellen frequently mentioning the U-6 as justification for keeping interest rates so low."

Next it talks about the labor participation at rock bottom. How is unemployment dropping with a stagnate economy and low labor participation? We already talked about this too. Federal Assistance. It's cooked books bro, it's all bullshit. The fiscal operating debt is about to require 100% of the GDP in order to function. Think about that, in order for the United States government to function on a basic daily level, they require every last drop of the private economy. As a low tax, limited government independent, I think that is a tragedy. Trump's not innocent either, his spending bill was a joke as well. I'm not going to bother with the CNN article that about covers it.

 

 



Jumpin said:
massimus said:

 

Yup lol. It’s the same as Obama had a 8 year stagnate economy because he was fixing bush fuck ups and it’s finally kicking in after trump was elected lmao. How dense do you have to be?

The economy wasn’t stagnant for 8 years under Obama, GDP increased 30% and the US stock market tripled in value from 2009 to 2016, unemployment dropped from 9.8% to 4.9% in the same period.

Yes it was. No, it didn't.  0% interest, fuck yeah. No it didnt, see above.



SpokenTruth said:
Jumpin said:

The economy wasn’t stagnant for 8 years under Obama, GDP increased 30% and the US stock market tripled in value from 2009 to 2016, unemployment dropped from 9.8% to 4.9% in the same period.

This is what they are going to tell you.

It was stagnant (it wasn't. They'll say an annual growth rate of under 3% is stagnation yet claim 4% is not).
GDP didn't grow (it did).
Stocks increased because it had a greater ROI than treasuries (0% interest rates - somebody here tried to claim negative interest rates).
Unemployment never dropped.  They just stopped accounting for those exiting the market until Trump was elected and then they started counting them again and magically the unemployment rate dropped from ~10% to ~4%.

They'll try to convince you "real" unemployment did this:

Haha, so true. I recall in the presidential campaign they were counting children and the retired as "the real unemployment number."

I remember when the spin doctors were cool:



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SpokenFakeGraphs lol. I kid but for real, you love those things.



SpokenTruth said:
massimus said:
SpokenFakeGraphs lol. I kid but for real, you love those things.

That one I made.  The other one was made by BBC using data from the Bureau of Labor Statistics.


But, yes, I love data and statistics.

It’s just as fake just not as humorous. I agree, me too. 



Right, I get it lol. Your other graph was one they made up to represent how many on the left perceive the “real” unemployment figures. I said it’s just as fake as the one you made up but it’s not as humorous.



SpokenTruth said:
massimus said:
Right, I get it lol. Your other graph was one they made up to represent how many on the left perceive the “real” unemployment figures. I said it’s just as fake as the one you made up but it’s not as humorous.

Then please, provide us with the "real" annual numbers so we can make a "real" chart.

It’s on the last page. The U-6 quote. You think the lowering of unemployment is people working but that’s not true. If you are “unemployed” then you are in the workforce and looking for work. If you give up looking for work and drop out of the workforce then the unemployment goes down, just not for the reason you think it does.



Still the same rate? Its still above 9 percent lmao. Your 4% unemployment is bullshit. That article was from the wall street journal. I guess you can’t read graphs unless it’s fake. Going from catastrophe back to just being shitty is nothing to brag about and those numbers were in spite on his horrible economic policies.

Last edited by massimus - on 04 July 2018