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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577

I’m asking, you are the one with the link to the statistic. What kind of jobs were created in that 2.2? I know what kind of jobs but I want you to tell me what the link says, that’s your proof. Or it face value bullshit?

Of course the solyndra failure and the economy are the republicans fault lmao. “Not enough support” lmao how can you say that with a straight face? The democrats and Obama aren’t tainted at all, okay dude.

Bullshit. His executive orders had an immediate effect on the economy. The deregulation is a major part of the economic boost.

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massimus said:
SpokenTruth said:

Negative interest rates from the FRB?  Who lied to you?

Because congressional eras are often simplified to a given president in office for easy reference.  I also didn't label the chart.  And why the sudden switch from Trump focus to Republicans? 

You did when you implied that Trump is riding on the coat tails of the Obama economy. Quantitative easing and cooking the books is the only reason the economy didn’t collapse. The federal reserve didn’t have a positive interest rate until trump entered office. You also don’t look at factors like federal assistance that spiked drastically under the Obama “unemployment drop” where the federal assistance under the trump unemployment is dropping quick. The difference is that people are actually working under trump, Obama never had those gdp numbers. All of his statistics are fake, like your graph.  You’re not taking into the account the kinds of jobs being created like manufacturing and the explosion of small business with the massive deregulation going on. What Obama term policies benefit the economy, can you name one? Which industries did good? The ones he bailed out OUR kids kids money? His economy was a joke.

Don't you love his response to you. He nitpicks out one small aspect of your post and says he can't be bothered to argue with you because of it.

But I always loved that about Democrats in regards to Federal Assistance. They LOVE to tout how many people they added to some assistance program like its a good thing. Like in what world would someone brag about "more people than ever are now on food stamps, or welfare" How can that possibly be a good thing.



massimus said:
I’m asking, you are the one with the link to the statistic. What kind of jobs were created in that 2.2? I know what kind of jobs but I want you to tell me what the link says, that’s your proof. Or it face value bullshit?

..manufacturing jobs, blue collar jobs, service jobs, low-end jobs, toiling in stores, and restaurants, same jobs trump is boasting about, health care sector, department stores, The U.S. postal service, online stores, white collar jobs. face value bullshit jobs.

 

Of course the solyndra failure and the economy are the republicans fault lmao. “Not enough support” lmao how can you say that with a straight face? The democrats and Obama aren’t tainted at all, okay dude.

I say that with a straight face because it is HARD FACTS. I'm not laughing.

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irstupid said:
massimus said:

You did when you implied that Trump is riding on the coat tails of the Obama economy. Quantitative easing and cooking the books is the only reason the economy didn’t collapse. The federal reserve didn’t have a positive interest rate until trump entered office. You also don’t look at factors like federal assistance that spiked drastically under the Obama “unemployment drop” where the federal assistance under the trump unemployment is dropping quick. The difference is that people are actually working under trump, Obama never had those gdp numbers. All of his statistics are fake, like your graph.  You’re not taking into the account the kinds of jobs being created like manufacturing and the explosion of small business with the massive deregulation going on. What Obama term policies benefit the economy, can you name one? Which industries did good? The ones he bailed out OUR kids kids money? His economy was a joke.

Don't you love his response to you. He nitpicks out one small aspect of your post and says he can't be bothered to argue with you because of it.

But I always loved that about Democrats in regards to Federal Assistance. They LOVE to tout how many people they added to some assistance program like its a good thing. Like in what world would someone brag about "more people than ever are now on food stamps, or welfare" How can that possibly be a good thing.

Bruce Springsteen, Sen. Patty Murray, Celebrity Chef Sandra Lee, Ann Dunham: President Barack Obama’s mother, Barbara Buono, Craig T. Nelson, Mike McCue, Rep. Barbara Lee, Moby: The musical artist hasn’t hid his poor upbringing, Phil Drake: The president of Drake Enterprises, and Kyle Abraham.

all these famous people lived on foodstamps and I'm sure there is a lot more that I don't know of. These programs help a lot of people.

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deskpro2k3 said:

massimus said:
I’m asking, you are the one with the link to the statistic. What kind of jobs were created in that 2.2? I know what kind of jobs but I want you to tell me what the link says, that’s your proof. Or it face value bullshit?

..manufacturing jobs, blue collar jobs, service jobs, low-end jobs, toiling in stores, and restaurants, same jobs trump is boasting about, health care sector, department stores, The U.S. postal service, online stores, white collar jobs. face value bullshit jobs.

 

Of course the solyndra failure and the economy are the republicans fault lmao. “Not enough support” lmao how can you say that with a straight face? The democrats and Obama aren’t tainted at all, okay dude.

I say that with a straight face because it is HARD FACTS. I'm not laughing.

Really so if I follow that link I will find that Obama created a slew of manufacturing and private sector jobs? I know that’s bullshit but I’m going to check later when I’m not on my phone and at work and if not I’m going to call you out on your bullshit.

 

its a cold hard fact that solyndra couldn’t stand on its own legs sure. I agree. It’s not the government’s job to prop up companies, there is a name for public/private sector hybrids. It’s called fascism. Do you agree with the bank and automotive bailouts? 



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deskpro2k3 said:
irstupid said:

Don't you love his response to you. He nitpicks out one small aspect of your post and says he can't be bothered to argue with you because of it.

But I always loved that about Democrats in regards to Federal Assistance. They LOVE to tout how many people they added to some assistance program like its a good thing. Like in what world would someone brag about "more people than ever are now on food stamps, or welfare" How can that possibly be a good thing.

Bruce Springsteen, Sen. Patty Murray, Celebrity Chef Sandra Lee, Ann Dunham: President Barack Obama’s mother, Barbara Buono, Craig T. Nelson, Mike McCue, Rep. Barbara Lee, Moby: The musical artist hasn’t hid his poor upbringing, Phil Drake: The president of Drake Enterprises, and Kyle Abraham.

all these famous people lived on foodstamps and I'm sure there is a lot more that I don't know of. These programs help a lot of people.

That is not the point. The point is that if someone is on food stamps/welfare/ect that means they are in need. (If they are not taking advantage of the system)

Is it not better to brag about having less people on food stamps/welfare? That means less people are in need and have jobs and are helping out our economy, paying taxes, ect. But I've always found that people think in one of two ways regarding this issue.

1. Wellfare/Foodstamp numbers are up. Some think it's great news, as that means more people that are in need have gotten help. Others see that as shitty news cause it means that more people are in need and the economy/job market is shitty.

2. Wellfare/foodstamp numbers are down. Some think it's great news, as that means there are less people out there in need and the economy/job market is doing good. Others see it as shitty news, cause they assume that means that there are a ton of people out there in need that aren't getting help.

I'm on the side that likes to see welfare/foodstamp numbers down. Not because I want to say an extra dollar on my taxes a year paying for those programs, but because why would I celebrate people needing help or our economy/job market not being good enough for people to be able to support themselves or their families. When I see low numbers, I take that as a good sign, that less people are in need, not that less needy people are being helped.



massimus said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Really so if I follow that link I will find that Obama created a slew of manufacturing and private sector jobs? I know that’s bullshit but I’m going to check later when I’m not on my phone and at work and if not I’m going to call you out on your bullshit.

 

its a cold hard fact that solyndra couldn’t stand on its own legs sure. I agree. It’s not the government’s job to prop up companies, there is a name for public/private sector hybrids. It’s called fascism. Do you agree with the bank and automotive bailouts? 

no i don't agree with the bank and automotive bailouts, if GM were building factories here in the US instead of China then I wouldn't mind.

 

Can look at this one too. https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

I don't know how you feel about cnn, but you can look at this one as well. http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/index.html



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irstupid said:
deskpro2k3 said:

Bruce Springsteen, Sen. Patty Murray, Celebrity Chef Sandra Lee, Ann Dunham: President Barack Obama’s mother, Barbara Buono, Craig T. Nelson, Mike McCue, Rep. Barbara Lee, Moby: The musical artist hasn’t hid his poor upbringing, Phil Drake: The president of Drake Enterprises, and Kyle Abraham.

all these famous people lived on foodstamps and I'm sure there is a lot more that I don't know of. These programs help a lot of people.

That is not the point. The point is that if someone is on food stamps/welfare/ect that means they are in need. (If they are not taking advantage of the system)

Is it not better to brag about having less people on food stamps/welfare? That means less people are in need and have jobs and are helping out our economy, paying taxes, ect. But I've always found that people think in one of two ways regarding this issue.

1. Wellfare/Foodstamp numbers are up. Some think it's great news, as that means more people that are in need have gotten help. Others see that as shitty news cause it means that more people are in need and the economy/job market is shitty.

2. Wellfare/foodstamp numbers are down. Some think it's great news, as that means there are less people out there in need and the economy/job market is doing good. Others see it as shitty news, cause they assume that means that there are a ton of people out there in need that aren't getting help.

I'm on the side that likes to see welfare/foodstamp numbers down. Not because I want to say an extra dollar on my taxes a year paying for those programs, but because why would I celebrate people needing help or our economy/job market not being good enough for people to be able to support themselves or their families. When I see low numbers, I take that as a good sign, that less people are in need, not that less needy people are being helped.

oh I see, I gotcha.



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irstupid said:
massimus said:

You did when you implied that Trump is riding on the coat tails of the Obama economy. Quantitative easing and cooking the books is the only reason the economy didn’t collapse. The federal reserve didn’t have a positive interest rate until trump entered office. You also don’t look at factors like federal assistance that spiked drastically under the Obama “unemployment drop” where the federal assistance under the trump unemployment is dropping quick. The difference is that people are actually working under trump, Obama never had those gdp numbers. All of his statistics are fake, like your graph.  You’re not taking into the account the kinds of jobs being created like manufacturing and the explosion of small business with the massive deregulation going on. What Obama term policies benefit the economy, can you name one? Which industries did good? The ones he bailed out OUR kids kids money? His economy was a joke.

Don't you love his response to you. He nitpicks out one small aspect of your post and says he can't be bothered to argue with you because of it.

But I always loved that about Democrats in regards to Federal Assistance. They LOVE to tout how many people they added to some assistance program like its a good thing. Like in what world would someone brag about "more people than ever are now on food stamps, or welfare" How can that possibly be a good thing.

Yup lol. It’s the same as Obama had a 8 year stagnate economy because he was fixing bush fuck ups and it’s finally kicking in after trump was elected lmao. How dense do you have to be?



deskpro2k3 said:
massimus said:

Really so if I follow that link I will find that Obama created a slew of manufacturing and private sector jobs? I know that’s bullshit but I’m going to check later when I’m not on my phone and at work and if not I’m going to call you out on your bullshit.

 

its a cold hard fact that solyndra couldn’t stand on its own legs sure. I agree. It’s not the government’s job to prop up companies, there is a name for public/private sector hybrids. It’s called fascism. Do you agree with the bank and automotive bailouts? 

no i don't agree with the bank and automotive bailouts, if GM were building factories here in the US instead of China then I wouldn't mind.

 

Can look at this one too. https://www.npr.org/2017/01/07/508600239/what-kind-of-jobs-president-has-obama-been-in-8-charts

I don't know how you feel about cnn, but you can look at this one as well. http://money.cnn.com/2016/11/04/news/economy/jobs-under-obama/index.html

Thanks. Cnn is trash but it doesn’t matter I’m just going to follow the source anyway.