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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
irstupid said:
HouseEorl said:
He's shooting himself in the foot going after Harley-Davidson, as the reason Harley sales are up in Europe is because of the right-wing biker gangs of the SIOE.

Don't know what Trump said, but I did read an article a few days ago about a group of Harley Davidson owners in the US that are really upset that Harley is moving outside the US.

I don't know how loyal Harley fans are to it being a US company, but if they are anything like Ford and Chevy ownners, I would be scared of upsetting them. Bike or Car fanatics are very brand loyal and fight with other companies all the time over who is better and it becoming a foreign brand would be a big blow to many. 

So the question is, will Harley gain enough fans to overcomet he amount they lose. And the hardcore bike/car fans spend ALOT of money on their hobbies. Harley's are NOT cheap either. 

This is why the President should actually shut up about things until he gets all the information.  HD stated they were shifting production of their bikes oversees for guess what oversees customers.  HD bikes for America will still be made here.  HD is an international company not just an American one.  The stupid knee jerk reaction by our President could cost HD millions only because he has a large following of people not smart enough to get the whole picture not just half of it.  The fact he is making threats about a situations he has no real info on is also a concern.  This is just another example of Trump leading with his mouth before he understands what the hell he is talking about.



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Machiavellian said:
irstupid said:

Don't know what Trump said, but I did read an article a few days ago about a group of Harley Davidson owners in the US that are really upset that Harley is moving outside the US.

I don't know how loyal Harley fans are to it being a US company, but if they are anything like Ford and Chevy ownners, I would be scared of upsetting them. Bike or Car fanatics are very brand loyal and fight with other companies all the time over who is better and it becoming a foreign brand would be a big blow to many. 

So the question is, will Harley gain enough fans to overcomet he amount they lose. And the hardcore bike/car fans spend ALOT of money on their hobbies. Harley's are NOT cheap either. 

This is why the President should actually shut up about things until he gets all the information.  HD stated they were shifting production of their bikes oversees for guess what oversees customers.  HD bikes for America will still be made here.  HD is an international company not just an American one.  The stupid knee jerk reaction by our President could cost HD millions only because he has a large following of people not smart enough to get the whole picture not just half of it.  The fact he is making threats about a situations he has no real info on is also a concern.  This is just another example of Trump leading with his mouth before he understands what the hell he is talking about.

I was talking about seeing an article about upset Harley fans before Trump said anything. Most likely anything Trump said was because he also saw that article or another similar one. He seems to react to articles or news programs.

So his fanbase did not get mad at HD because of Trump, they were mad already. Trump reacted cause he saw his fanbase was mad, and also he reacts to every single company that even hints at moving production out of the US.



SpokenTruth said:
massimus said:
Unemployment went down during Obama’s term because people completely dropped out of the workforce lmao. That graph shows absolutely nothing, one statistic with no specifics. To claim the Obama terms had any kind of recovery is crazy! The federal reserve kept negative interest rates so the economy didn’t spiral out of control. What a laughable argument.

Negative interest rates from the FRB?  Who lied to you?

irstupid said:

You posted a graph showing the unemploymet rate by President, not Congress.

If you were arguing Congress so bad then you would have highlighted that Congress was in power since 2014. So everything since 2014 according to you is 100% thanks to Republicans. 

Because congressional eras are often simplified to a given president in office for easy reference.  I also didn't label the chart.  And why the sudden switch from Trump focus to Republicans? 

I switched to republicans because Republicans held congress since 2014.



SpokenTruth said:
irstupid said:

I switched to republicans because Republicans held congress since 2014.

Good.  So you agree it's not Trump.  I'm glad we have that cleared up now.

I just keep answering the goal post you keep moving.

We were talking about unemployment rates and how they have continued to fall since Trump has taken office. They are at like record lows. Rarely in U.S. history is unemployment in the 4%

Since you hate Trump vehemently you first wanted to say it was just continuation of Obama. But as I state above, the fact that the numbers are at record lows, its a tough sell to continue to attribute it to someone who has not been in office for over a year, not to mention I constantly see the left complaining about Trump undoing everything Obama did. If that were true, then how could it be a continuation of Obama, if all his policies are getting reversed?

Then you switched it to Congress who is in charge of the budget, which for some reason dictates employment % to you. Not sure how the budget dictates unemployment. I suppose you could be of the mind that the only good jobs are government created jobs and you hate the private sector. So clearly all jobs can only be created by taxing Americans more in order to increase our budget to pay government workers more or hire more workers.

But go ahead. Keep trying to spin how 4% unemployment is Trump doing a bad job.



SpokenTruth said:
irstupid said:

I just keep answering the goal post you keep moving.

We were talking about unemployment rates and how they have continued to fall since Trump has taken office. They are at like record lows. Rarely in U.S. history is unemployment in the 4%

Since you hate Trump vehemently you first wanted to say it was just continuation of Obama. But as I state above, the fact that the numbers are at record lows, its a tough sell to continue to attribute it to someone who has not been in office for over a year, not to mention I constantly see the left complaining about Trump undoing everything Obama did. If that were true, then how could it be a continuation of Obama, if all his policies are getting reversed?

Then you switched it to Congress who is in charge of the budget, which for some reason dictates employment % to you. Not sure how the budget dictates unemployment. I suppose you could be of the mind that the only good jobs are government created jobs and you hate the private sector. So clearly all jobs can only be created by taxing Americans more in order to increase our budget to pay government workers more or hire more workers.

But go ahead. Keep trying to spin how 4% unemployment is Trump doing a bad job.

And this is why nothing ever goes anywhere.  You're going to lie or alter what I said no matter what I say because you have an agenda that demands you do as such to maintain itself.

I'm done. I value integrity and honesty.  I wish you did too.

I lied? How so. Let's say I misunderstood you. Let's move past who was saying what or meaning what. I've read enough of your posts to know that when someone brings in something you can't refute, you take one tiny aspect of their ENTIRE post and only focus on that to prove they are wrong. So let's just focus on the facts at hand.

What did I post in my comment was a lie about unemployment, Trump or Congress?

Is unemployment not in the 4's? (a whole percent lower than when Obama left office) 
Please look at all the times unemployment has been in the 4's in the history of the US. (I've looked, it not often)
Have the Republicans not been in charge or Congress since 2014?
Has Trump not been reversing many of Obama's policies/executive actions/ect?
Has Trump not been in office for like a year and half?

I just can't fathom how you can possibly say that Trump has absolutely nothing to do with unemployment numbers. You can't be using clear level headed thinking, but have to be letting your emotions cloud your reasoning. If one were to believe even a fraction of the doom and gloom the media says Trump has done to the US, we would be in a worse depression than the 30's.



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SpokenTruth said:
massimus said:
Unemployment went down during Obama’s term because people completely dropped out of the workforce lmao. That graph shows absolutely nothing, one statistic with no specifics. To claim the Obama terms had any kind of recovery is crazy! The federal reserve kept negative interest rates so the economy didn’t spiral out of control. What a laughable argument.

Negative interest rates from the FRB?  Who lied to you?

irstupid said:

You posted a graph showing the unemploymet rate by President, not Congress.

If you were arguing Congress so bad then you would have highlighted that Congress was in power since 2014. So everything since 2014 according to you is 100% thanks to Republicans. 

Because congressional eras are often simplified to a given president in office for easy reference.  I also didn't label the chart.  And why the sudden switch from Trump focus to Republicans? 

You did when you implied that Trump is riding on the coat tails of the Obama economy. Quantitative easing and cooking the books is the only reason the economy didn’t collapse. The federal reserve didn’t have a positive interest rate until trump entered office. You also don’t look at factors like federal assistance that spiked drastically under the Obama “unemployment drop” where the federal assistance under the trump unemployment is dropping quick. The difference is that people are actually working under trump, Obama never had those gdp numbers. All of his statistics are fake, like your graph.  You’re not taking into the account the kinds of jobs being created like manufacturing and the explosion of small business with the massive deregulation going on. What Obama term policies benefit the economy, can you name one? Which industries did good? The ones he bailed out OUR kids kids money? His economy was a joke.



Absolutely they fudged the numbers. Just like the federal reserve fudged the numbers. They were counting the people who were dropping out of the workforce to get on federal assistance as an “unemployment drop”. I don’t want to hear about “it’s congress fault not Obama’s”. It’s all of their faults, they are all equal branches. The economy was a joke under Obama with a Democrat and Republican Congress. I’m no special pleader for Republicans, they are just as laughable. But that brings up your point, if the president had nothing to do with the economy (which is false) the why is trump doing so good without the help of a useless congress? There is plenty to do in the executive branch. If you don’t want to debate because you don’t have an answer then that’s fine but don’t act like I’m lying to you. I have nothing to gain by being right, I think it’s shameful as an American. 

I’m just telling you that Trump riding on the tail of Obama’s economy is complete bullshit lol. It’s not even debatable, that’s why you can’t name one policy that had a positive effect on the economy. It’s why the federal reserve interest rate never went above 0% in his 8 years and why they have increased it 3 times in one year under trump. The economy is actually doing well enough now to take that load.

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massimus said:


I’m just telling you that Trump riding on the tail of Obama’s economy is complete bullshit lol. It’s not even debatable, that’s why you can’t name one policy that had a positive effect on the economy. It’s why the federal reserve interest rate never went above 0% in his 8 years and why they have increased it 3 times in one year under trump. The economy is actually doing well enough now to take that load.

It's no BS, Trump was dealt a good hand by Obama, but Trump has also kept the momentum going. Trump's first year in office looks similar to Obama's final years when you look at jobs, growth and wages. The economy added 2.1 million jobs in 2017, a bit slower than the 2.2 million in 2016, and 2.5 million in 2015.



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deskpro2k3 said:
massimus said:


I’m just telling you that Trump riding on the tail of Obama’s economy is complete bullshit lol. It’s not even debatable, that’s why you can’t name one policy that had a positive effect on the economy. It’s why the federal reserve interest rate never went above 0% in his 8 years and why they have increased it 3 times in one year under trump. The economy is actually doing well enough now to take that load.

It's no BS, Trump was dealt a good hand by Obama, but Trump has also kept the momentum going. Trump's first year in office looks similar to Obama's final years when you look at jobs, growth and wages. The economy added 2.1 million jobs in 2017, a bit slower than the 2.2 million in 2016, and 2.5 million in 2015.

Yeah what jobs? Part time? Public sector jobs? Jobs that were bailed out with our money? The solyndra “green jobs” that went bankrupt after 2 years? You can’t take any of the numbers at face value. There are many factors that go into those numbers.  They are fudged and not to please “Obama’s supporters” but because the sheer panic that would set in if the markets were told the truth. Obama did not have a single good year and Trump is literally killing it by dismantling Obama’s executive orders without help from congress. The good thing about using executive orders instead of congress is that the next executive could come in and scrap all of it. Legislation like Obamacare is much harder to get rid of. 



massimus said:
deskpro2k3 said:

It's no BS, Trump was dealt a good hand by Obama, but Trump has also kept the momentum going. Trump's first year in office looks similar to Obama's final years when you look at jobs, growth and wages. The economy added 2.1 million jobs in 2017, a bit slower than the 2.2 million in 2016, and 2.5 million in 2015.

Yeah what jobs? Part time? Public sector jobs? Jobs that were bailed out with our money? The solyndra “green jobs” that went bankrupt after 2 years? You can’t take any of the numbers at face value. There are many factors that go into those numbers.  They are fudged and not to please “Obama’s supporters” but because the sheer panic that would set in if the markets were told the truth.

Proof?

(The Solyndra bankruptcy is due to Chinese solar panels being 10-20% less expensive than U.S.-made panels; but by some estimates, Solyndra’s panels were 100% more, and a lack of U.S. government support.) And notice I was talking about 2015-2017. Solyndra ceased operations in 2011.

 

Obama did not have a single good year and Trump is literally killing it by dismantling Obama’s executive orders without help from congress. The good thing about using executive orders instead of congress is that the next executive could come in and scrap all of it. Legislation like Obamacare is much harder to get rid of. 

Of course Obama didn't have a single good year. He had to bail out the country from a recession, and the republican congress kept shouting down and giving him a hard time. Ironically, the republican senates and the house have no problem with Trump when he wants to do some of the things Obama was trying to do.

Plus Trump's executive Orders aren't really all substantive. Their instructions don't amount to much, and certainly not the the kind of things that can "take effect" immediately, and most are memoranda, not orders. The Orders are more expressions of intent than actual policy changes. Once they've taken effect, they don't actually do very much yet.

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