The drop in illegal Mexican immigration that I cited dates from the period 2008-2016, in other words it declined during Obama's two terms of office.  Where is your evidence that illegal immigration has "dropped dramatically" from the 2016 level in 2017?

P.S.  Does this mean I correctly understood your position in my previous post?  What do you think about my counterpoint that even granting them the same objective wouldn't preclude the possibility of one and only one of them being racist? 

Trump voters have no problem with Immigrants and welcome them, provided they have been vetted and are here legally. Times have changed dramatically since this country was founded and people should not just be able to come into our country without us knowing about it. That is not racism, its common sense. We need to able to control the number of people coming in as well for economic reasons. An influx of people to an area with weak infrastructure and no jobs creates a bad environment for everyone. 

You can definitely have two people with the same objective differ on something like racism. I am sure plenty of racists want a wall and border security because they don't like any mexicans. I want a wall because we have a problem at our southern border that we don't have at our northern border and MExico doesn't care or have the means to fix it. I am all for Mexicans coming over and becoming citizens, even just coming over to work on a work visa. I am not for crossing illegally and trying to stay here indefinitely. 

Trump is the living proof that the movie "Idiocracy" was a very real glimpse of the future and not just a satire.

O.K., but the drop in illegal Mexican immigration that I cited dates from the period 2008-2016; in other words, it declined during Obama's two terms of office.  Where is your evidence that illegal immigration has "dropped dramatically" from the 2016 level in 2017?

Here is one from the NY Times. From the time Trump took office it went way down. It slowly has crept back up since then, my guess is because of all the sanctuary status changes and Democratic blocking of Immigration crackdowns. It still hasn't quite hit Obamas lowest level.

https://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2017/10/12/us/politics/trump-border-claim-factcheck.html

Thank you for the source.  It looks like immigration did indeed drop dramatically from the last month of Obama's final year to the first month of Trump's first year.  However, if you look at the graphs there is a definite seasonal variation in the arrests (and presumably the illegal crossings in general).  This accounts for some of the decline, and also accounts for some of the subsequent increase.  I can't disprove your speculation about sanctuary cities but it is certainly complete speculation and I don't personally think it is very likely to have had much effect on illegal border crossings.  (And I would think that "blocking crackdowns" would only potentially prevent decrease, not cause increase.)  My own speculation would be more along the lines of Trump's extreme rhetoric causing short-term fear (thus fewer crossings) but no long-term effect (crossings bounce back to normal). 

But the story doesn't end there.  Going back to the source data, here's the government website with a graph of presumably the same data.  You can see that FY17 was a very strange year compared to the others:  abnormally high in late fall but abnormally low in the spring (the numbers Trump was touting). 

Taking the average of the four previous years and comparing it to FY17, I am prepared to admit that this data does suggest that FY17 illegal border crossings were indeed "dramatically" low, if you are prepared to accept that the incredible drops Trump was proclaiming of 60, 70, or even 80% were either extremely cherry-picked or outright fictional.  I would also ask if you will agree that, based on the exact same dataset, it does NOT look like FY18 is shaping up to be similar to FY17—but with the caveat that the year is young and things might change. 

I hope Trump fails as President! I hated this guy before he became President and I hate him even more after he became President. Trump is an arrogant, sleazy, creep with small hands!

I completely agree that the numbers were cherry picked to sound better and also agree that the "tough talk" probably played a role in the decrease. It will be interesting to see how 2018 plays out, my bet is if a DACA deal gets approved with no emphasis on the wall or border security and sanctuary states and cities go unpunished you will see a steady climb in crossings. If however DACA is approved with the Wall funding and Sanctuary states get penalized I think you will see a dramatic decline almost immediately.  We will just have to wait and see what happens.

This is a sad statement and unfortunatly how many people feel. It is however a dangerous sentiment. If he fails what does it do to our economy and our standing in the world? You do realize the far worse option is currently the VP right? IMO Trump has strengthened our position in the world. I know from the left it looks weaker since its all peace love and happiness over there but in real world terms where power matters, we are in a much better position. Do you really think countries like China, NK, Russia etc. respect a country that gets walked on by them daily? Having someone who will confront them and challenge their actions both in private and in public has been a wake up call for the world. Sometimes his delivery could be better but the message is the same and understood.