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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
CrazyGamer2017 said:

I feel the same as I felt a year ago:
Most of the stuff he does I don't agree with but he's the only one that sees something's wrong with the muslims.
Or maybe he does not, maybe he is just as clueless about that issue as he seems to be with the other issues. Either way, Clinton would have embraced that dangerous religion which is worse than a guy that does not trust that religion but doesn't really do much about it.

Also Trump made me realize that a US President does not hold as much power as we might think he would when some nobody judge simply and easily overturned his ban on traveling to the US from a selection of muslim countries.

There are about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world.  Targeting them all solely based on their religion is bigotry.  There are 2.2 billions Christians in the world.  I imagine that if we count up all of the crimes that were committed by Christians they would equal or exceed Muslim crimes.  But we aren't going to ban Christians because that is bigotry.  If the President sent out videos of Christians committing crimes to characterize the whole of Christianity, there would rightly so be outrage.  Only simple minded people can be controlled with macro level mindsets like 'something's wrong with the Muslims'.  You mindset is cancerous and dangerous and worst of all, its not even your own idea.   

I imagine in a few thousand years when both religions are dead, we will find something else as stupid to target each other about.  I would say the same thing to a Muslim who uses propaganda against Christians. 



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CrazyGamer2017 said:
Errorist76 said:

You know what...it's incredibly hypocrite and small minded to just be worried about islamic terrorism. Why single them out?! Religious extremism or extremism in all its forms is the real thread.

-How many people died by islamist terrorism last year in the U.S. ?!(and that would even be understandable seeing how the U.S. (and allies) have fucked up whole countries in the middle east in the past decades)
-And how many have died by other psychopaths?!

You see the problem of your world view?

I can assure you people thinking like you and Trump in that regard will only make it worse!

And I think it's incredibly ignorant to not see how dangerous the islamic religion is.

Also the fact you say that people dying in the west as a result of those coward attacks is understandable is absolutely disgusting. When I think of those (children too) who ended up crushed under the wheels of trucks in cities like Nice in France in the name of their god and at the same time I read your comment and that word "understandable", I wanna throw up.

Also trying to dilute the issue by mentioning psychopaths as if you expected me to answer: Oh, right, psychopaths kill too so muslims attacks are fine and good in comparison.

As for the US and allies fucking up those countries, well how is that the fault of those who died in the terrorist attacks? You got a really unsettling way of imparting your opinion mate.


Nice that you state it yourself...you're right, one needs to be mentally ill or severely manipulated to even consider doing like this. Exactly!

No matter what imaginary holy idiot you are believing in to exist! 



CosmicSex said: 
CrazyGamer2017 said: 

I feel the same as I felt a year ago: 
Most of the stuff he does I don't agree with but he's the only one that sees something's wrong with the muslims.
Or maybe he does not, maybe he is just as clueless about that issue as he seems to be with the other issues. Either way, Clinton would have embraced that dangerous religion which is worse than a guy that does not trust that religion but doesn't really do much about it.

Also Trump made me realize that a US President does not hold as much power as we might think he would when some nobody judge simply and easily overturned his ban on traveling to the US from a selection of muslim countries.

There are about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world.  Targeting them all solely based on their religion is bigotry.  There are 2.2 billions Christians in the world.  I imagine that if we count up all of the crimes that were committed by Christians they would equal or exceed Muslim crimes.  But we aren't going to ban Christians because that is bigotry.  If the President sent out videos of Christians committing crimes to characterize the whole of Christianity, there would rightly so be outrage.  Only simple minded people can be controlled with macro level mindsets like 'something's wrong with the Muslims'.  You mindset is cancerous and dangerous and worst of all, its not even your own idea.   

I imagine in a few thousand years when both religions are dead, we will find something else as stupid to target each other about.  I would say the same thing to a Muslim who uses propaganda against Christians. 

Couldn't have said it better myself. As I have said in another thread before....Hitler was using the same rhetorik when he was hating on the Yews. Trump and other nationalist populists act by the same play book.

I was really hoping the internet would help us in defeating stupid religions, but unfortunately it seems only to make things worse.

Last edited by Errorist76 - on 30 November 2017

Errorist76 said:

I'm not trying to cover the truth...just trying to stay objective. The US/UK lead wars have killed hundreds of thousands innocent men, women and children. Why those double standards?! Wouldn't you also go out and swear to kill each and everyone of them?!

I'm not saying either of ways is the right thing to do. Not apologising anything...just explaining.

Spreading hate only leads to more hate. Exactly what I said before and why I said it to you.

If you want to cover your eyes from the truth, go ahead!

I'm not covering my eyes from anything. Where do you see me say that the war the US and Russia and Europe do in Syria or any of those countries is ok?

On the other hand I see you react and defend islam when I call islam for what it is: Barbaric. So it seems you are covering your eyes when those fanatics carry on their attacks, you went so far as calling those attacks "understandable".



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I'm sleepy, time for a nappy!

CrazyGamer2017 said:
SpokenTruth said:

You, like Trump, have confused the title of president with king.

And I assure you, the US has far more dire issues facing it than radical Islamic terrorism.  Like domestic white, male terrorism.

I'm sorry but we do have a king in my country and he actually does not hold ANY powers whatsoever, the one in charge over here is the prime minister so that's not the best way to shoot down my argument... Just saying.

And last time I checked a US President is elected, a judge is not so the fact the latter can simply at whim overturn presidential decisions does not make much sense to me.

As for issues in the US, I never said muslims barbaric religion is the only one but other issues do not make this one any less of a serious one too.

A "nobody" judge holds power over the executive branch because all branches have a system of checks and balances that help ensure none of them overreach their power and role.  Trump, the frikkin president, doesn't know this.  It's basic civics taught to every middle school student over here.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

CrazyGamer2017 said:

I feel the same as I felt a year ago:
Most of the stuff he does I don't agree with but he's the only one that sees something's wrong with the muslims.
Or maybe he does not, maybe he is just as clueless about that issue as he seems to be with the other issues. Either way, Clinton would have embraced that dangerous religion which is worse than a guy that does not trust that religion but doesn't really do much about it.

Also Trump made me realize that a US President does not hold as much power as we might think he would when some nobody judge simply and easily overturned his ban on traveling to the US from a selection of muslim countries.

People like Trump do more wrong than right when it comes to these kinds of things. If western people are constantly being negative about their religion, muslims will start to hate us even more, and terrorist organisations will flourish. That's also the reason why the whole terrorism thing exists.
Same thing goes for North-Korea. They quickly became a much bigger thread, because Trump was bullying them.



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The sample size is too small right now, but it seems that people have change little in their outlook.

I will say that the Lavar Ball incident creating an outpouring of very regretful Trump voters.



CrazyGamer2017 said:
Errorist76 said:

I'm not trying to cover the truth...just trying to stay objective. The US/UK lead wars have killed hundreds of thousands innocent men, women and children. Why those double standards?! Wouldn't you also go out and swear to kill each and everyone of them?!

I'm not saying either of ways is the right thing to do. Not apologising anything...just explaining.

Spreading hate only leads to more hate. Exactly what I said before and why I said it to you.

If you want to cover your eyes from the truth, go ahead!

I'm not covering my eyes from anything. Where do you see me say that the war the US and Russia and Europe do in Syria or any of those countries is ok?

On the other hand I see you react and defend islam when I call islam for what it is: Barbaric. So it seems you are covering your eyes when those fanatics carry on their attacks, you went so far as calling those attacks "understandable".

 

You know what Christianity has done in the past?! Or is still doing in their most extreme versions (KKK)?! (ISL/ISIS/Daesh is NOT Islam, just like the KKK is not Christianity!)

I have grown up with many Muslims, are friends with many of them....Many great and honest and very very hospital persons. To be honest more than many so called "Christians" on paper.

Some others are crazy and dangerous, just like some asshole Germans, Brits, Australians, Polish, Russian or other "Christian" countries origin I've met in my life. How many Muslims (out of the Kebab store) have you really met or be friend's with to have such a twisted opinion?!



CosmicSex said:

There are about 1.8 billion Muslims in the world.  Targeting them all solely based on their religion is bigotry.  There are 2.2 billions Christians in the world.  I imagine that if we count up all of the crimes that were committed by Christians they would equal or exceed Muslim crimes.  But we aren't going to ban Christians because that is bigotry.  If the President sent out videos of Christians committing crimes to characterize the whole of Christianity, there would rightly so be outrage.  Only simple minded people can be controlled with macro level mindsets like 'something's wrong with the Muslims'.  You mindset is cancerous and dangerous and worst of all, its not even your own idea.   

I imagine in a few thousand years when both religions are dead, we will find something else as stupid to target each other about.  I would say the same thing to a Muslim who uses propaganda against Christians. 

Please remind me when was the last time a christian blew himself up screaming Jesus is the greatest and in the process killing a whole bunch of innocent people in ANY city of the world, whether in the west or in the middle east?

And FYI I don't defend crimes made by Christians or any other group. For example I don't defend nazis under the excuse that all nazis did not kill or that most neo-nazis weren't even born when WW2 war crimes happened. So why would I defend islam's crimes? Cause it's a religion it has the right to a special treatment? Not on my watch.



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I'm sleepy, time for a nappy!

CrazyGamer2017 said:
Errorist76 said:

I'm not trying to cover the truth...just trying to stay objective. The US/UK lead wars have killed hundreds of thousands innocent men, women and children. Why those double standards?! Wouldn't you also go out and swear to kill each and everyone of them?!

I'm not saying either of ways is the right thing to do. Not apologising anything...just explaining.

Spreading hate only leads to more hate. Exactly what I said before and why I said it to you.

If you want to cover your eyes from the truth, go ahead!

I'm not covering my eyes from anything. Where do you see me say that the war the US and Russia and Europe do in Syria or any of those countries is ok?

On the other hand I see you react and defend islam when I call islam for what it is: Barbaric. So it seems you are covering your eyes when those fanatics carry on their attacks, you went so far as calling those attacks "understandable".

Islam is not barbaric.  Those idiots carrying out terrorism are barbaric.  If you cannot separate the two, you have provided the necessary fuel to drive more barbaric terrorists.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

What's changed?

He was an ignorant, deplorable human being then, he's still that now, and he'll continue to be exactly that probably until the day that he dies.