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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 90 15.68%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.79%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.45%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.22%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.05%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 14 2.44%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 372 64.81%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.05%
 
Total:574
jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:

But that's part of the job.  While in office, you do not have a separate personal life.  It does not exist. And trying to act like you can still be the same uncouth twitster you were prior to election is a dereliction of responsibility, decorum and integrity for the office and station he holds.

He either didn't know what he was getting into (most likely) or knew but is still trying to have it both ways.

Let me be clear.  There is no separation between Trump the person and Trump the president.  You hold the values of that office and that role 24/7/365.  The platform it is spoken from, the account it is spoken from....all irrelevant.  That is still the President of the United States. 

And? Even if you are President I don't see why you can't talk shit on twitter. I don't like it when people switch up because they are in higher positions. If He's a shit talker as a regular citizen he should continue to br himself as President. It's more real and less fake. Being President is just a job and as long as you're doing your job I don't see why you can't have fun in twitter. 

A politically correct Trump would certainly be fake news. That's exactly why he can't even attempt it. It would be hypocrisy at it's finest.



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EricHiggin said:
SpokenTruth said:

Did you seriously just try to equate the erosion of the decorum, propriety and integrity of the President with the increased acceptance of LGBTQ+ individuals in society?

Talk about your false equivalences.  Wow.

Not sure what you mean by, "Over time the Presidents have naturally become less and less of a idol and more of just another individual. Same with celebs. They used to be on pedestals and are now just well known, mostly wealthy people." A, what relevance would that even have to do with anything?  And B, where did you come up with the notion that presidents are no longer idols and are just another individual? This sounds rather out of touch with how the US perceives their presidents.

Taste is subjective, beliefs are subjective, because people are subjective.

Just look at God and religion. It used to be all the rage because it was something untouchable, unfathomable. Now that we have science, some people use that to deny God and religion altogether because they believe it's not real due to the evidence. Some still do believe however. There also used to be the idea that a leader didn't have to be great, but they were just great because they were the leader. Now we can see through the various forms of media that our leaders haven't exactly been the perfectionists we assumed they must be, so people don't look up to them in the same manner anymore. Some do, some don't.

Some see all of this as society falling apart, some see it simply as more freedom. Some prefer more freedom, some like stable safe spaces.

Your penchant for false equivalency is almost commendable.  It is also, however, making your reasoning all the more confusing and glaringly ill formed.

How is the acceptance of LGBTQ+ people into society or the rejection of faith germane to a sitting president dishonoring the office he holds?



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

jason1637 said:

And? Even if you are President I don't see why you can't talk shit on twitter. I don't like it when people switch up because they are in higher positions. If He's a shit talker as a regular citizen he should continue to br himself as President. It's more real and less fake. Being President is just a job and as long as you're doing your job I don't see why you can't have fun in twitter. 

"Just a job" = representing 300,000,000 people in global affairs

"Just a job" = being a role model for the millions of Americans who look up to the presidency.

Right.

EricHiggin said: 

A politically correct Trump would certainly be fake news. That's exactly why he can't even attempt it. It would be hypocrisy at it's finest.

There's a pretty big gap between being Politically correct and being reasonable.  



SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Taste is subjective, beliefs are subjective, because people are subjective.

Just look at God and religion. It used to be all the rage because it was something untouchable, unfathomable. Now that we have science, some people use that to deny God and religion altogether because they believe it's not real due to the evidence. Some still do believe however. There also used to be the idea that a leader didn't have to be great, but they were just great because they were the leader. Now we can see through the various forms of media that our leaders haven't exactly been the perfectionists we assumed they must be, so people don't look up to them in the same manner anymore. Some do, some don't.

Some see all of this as society falling apart, some see it simply as more freedom. Some prefer more freedom, some like stable safe spaces.

Your penchant for false equivalency is almost commendable.  It is also, however, making your reasoning all the more confusing and glaringly ill formed.

How is the acceptance of LGBTQ+ people into society or the rejection of faith germane to a sitting president dishonoring the office he holds?

Your disregard for the repetition of the multiple and deliberate appearances of the word "subjective", seems unlikely with such well formulated and versed replies.

"One man's trash is another man's treasure."

the-pi-guy said:
jason1637 said:

And? Even if you are President I don't see why you can't talk shit on twitter. I don't like it when people switch up because they are in higher positions. If He's a shit talker as a regular citizen he should continue to br himself as President. It's more real and less fake. Being President is just a job and as long as you're doing your job I don't see why you can't have fun in twitter. 

"Just a job" = representing 300,000,000 people in global affairs

"Just a job" = being a role model for the millions of Americans who look up to the presidency.

Right.

EricHiggin said: 

A politically correct Trump would certainly be fake news. That's exactly why he can't even attempt it. It would be hypocrisy at it's finest.

There's a pretty big gap between being Politically correct and being reasonable.  

Well half didn't vote and half voted against him and since the half who voted against him seem proud to back, 'not my President', he only represents like 75 million or so.

Evel Knievel must be rolling in his grave.



The Canadian National Anthem According To Justin Trudeau

 

Oh planet Earth! The home of native lands, 
True social law, in all of us demand.
With cattle farts, we view sea rise,
Our North sinking slowly.
From far and snide, oh planet Earth, 
Our healthcare is yours free!
Science save our land, harnessing the breeze,
Oh planet Earth, smoke weed and ferment yeast.
Oh planet Earth, ell gee bee queue and tee.

SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

And? Even if you are President I don't see why you can't talk shit on twitter. I don't like it when people switch up because they are in higher positions. If He's a shit talker as a regular citizen he should continue to br himself as President. It's more real and less fake. Being President is just a job and as long as you're doing your job I don't see why you can't have fun in twitter. 

I'm afraid we have reached an impasse. Your lack of understanding and mischaracterization of the role of president suggests that we cannot proceed.

 

If you cannot honor the office you were elected to, you do not deserve to hold said office.

The role of President is to sign laws that benefit your country and to stand up for your country on the world stage. That doesn't mean you can't talk shit.

You'd be surprised by some of the behavior of past Presidents. It's just that with social media it's more obvious. 

the-pi-guy said:
jason1637 said:

And? Even if you are President I don't see why you can't talk shit on twitter. I don't like it when people switch up because they are in higher positions. If He's a shit talker as a regular citizen he should continue to br himself as President. It's more real and less fake. Being President is just a job and as long as you're doing your job I don't see why you can't have fun in twitter. 

"Just a job" = representing 300,000,000 people in global affairs

"Just a job" = being a role model for the millions of Americans who look up to the presidency.

Right.

EricHiggin said: 

A politically correct Trump would certainly be fake news. That's exactly why he can't even attempt it. It would be hypocrisy at it's finest.

There's a pretty big gap between being Politically correct and being reasonable.  

You can still do the job and talk shit in twitter.

Also idolizing people because of their position is something I've always found to be dumb. You can look to the President to protect the country and work for you but to look up to then is really weird. They are just people but with an important job.



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jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:

I'm afraid we have reached an impasse. Your lack of understanding and mischaracterization of the role of president suggests that we cannot proceed.

 

If you cannot honor the office you were elected to, you do not deserve to hold said office.

The role of President is to sign laws that benefit your country and to stand up for your country on the world stage. That doesn't mean you can't talk shit.

You'd be surprised by some of the behavior of past Presidents. It's just that with social media it's more obvious. 

the-pi-guy said:

"Just a job" = representing 300,000,000 people in global affairs

"Just a job" = being a role model for the millions of Americans who look up to the presidency.

Right.

There's a pretty big gap between being Politically correct and being reasonable.  

You can still do the job and talk shit in twitter.

Also idolizing people because of their position is something I've always found to be dumb. You can look to the President to protect the country and work for you but to look up to then is really weird. They are just people but with an important job.

You have absolutely no idea what a leader is, do you?  Or the concept of leading by example.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

The role of President is to sign laws that benefit your country and to stand up for your country on the world stage. That doesn't mean you can't talk shit.

You'd be surprised by some of the behavior of past Presidents. It's just that with social media it's more obvious. 

You can still do the job and talk shit in twitter.

Also idolizing people because of their position is something I've always found to be dumb. You can look to the President to protect the country and work for you but to look up to then is really weird. They are just people but with an important job.

You have absolutely no idea what a leader is, do you?  Or the concept of leading by example.

Leading by behavior is something Trump is bad at but honestly it does not matter a lot to me cause I feel like changing yourself to fit into someone you're not is worse than just being yourself.  Also I do find it entertaining when Trump talks shit and starts twitter beef.



jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:

You have absolutely no idea what a leader is, do you?  Or the concept of leading by example.

Leading by behavior is something Trump is bad at but honestly it does not matter a lot to me cause I feel like changing yourself to fit into someone you're not is worse than just being yourself.  Also I do find it entertaining when Trump talks shit and starts twitter beef.

So then it require that he change to be presidential and you like him for his entertainment factor.  Both suggest he should have stayed a TV show host rather than try to become something he is not.



Massimus - "Trump already has democrat support."

SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

Leading by behavior is something Trump is bad at but honestly it does not matter a lot to me cause I feel like changing yourself to fit into someone you're not is worse than just being yourself.  Also I do find it entertaining when Trump talks shit and starts twitter beef.

So then it require that he change to be presidential and you like him for his entertainment factor.  Both suggest he should have stayed a TV show host rather than try to become something he is not.

What is considered being Presidential?  Like I said earlier we have had a lot of Presidents who's behavior has been a bit out of line like trump. 



MrWayne said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Bolded one: I both agree with that statement and still believe that there is an overal too much focus on dumb tweets

Bolded second: It would be argueable that there can be a difference in the magnitude of hyperbole considering political views but that is another topic

Bolded third: You took me out of context and you just keep going not understanding the first comment i made so keep it at that or stop argueing about things besides the matter.

Maybe you should clarify the point you made in your first comment, so he can understand it better and to stop talking past each other?

I did and it would also be grand he stopped using my comments to fabricate extreme opinions i did never imply.

"Its crazy how much importance is put into shittalking on twitter by our elected and newsources,next we might find them commenting on youtube under the latest Ben Shapiro video."

This he somehow transformed in this response to me: i can not believe you are trying to say it has no impact like by saying that sentence i must 100 percent ignore everything negative about twitter,i tried to explain him about it in the response i made after but he kept going not derailing from his assumed narrative so the reaction was to make that stop yes.

I get what you are saying but what you ask i tried to do and that first comment is not hard to understand when a person just reads it without implying the unexistent.