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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Jumpin said:

I am just surprised at how there are still people in the world who don't realize how grossly incompetent Trump is. I think Americans lack the background of Europeans and assume that money = competence; whereas we in Europe have a long history of incredibly stupid people inheriting wealth, and then thriving. We even have a dog, who inherited his wealth from a Countess, that is on its way to becoming a billionaire.

WAKE UP, recognize that you've voted an idiot reality TV show host to make decisions on your nation's politics. Admit your shame USA. Then deal with your problem appropriately. We all make mistakes (my country has made bigger ones than you have in the past), it's better to own up to them than to pretend "No, we knew what we did, and it was the right decision!"

Excessive pride and nationalism will make sure that we will never learn our mistakes. The orange Cheeto puff is here to stay for another 3 years. He might even get reelected.



 

 

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TargaryenVers2 said:
He, and the Republican Party's embrace of him, is the reason I switched parties

The republican party took in trump because he threatened to go independent with about 30% of the Republican voter base if he did not get their endorsement. It was especially surprising because of the fact that Trump had made fun of or started verbal wars with almost every  front runner. The more aggressive and belligerent he got the more the republican voter base demanded he edge closer towards the Presidency. As front runner, Marco Rubio stated, Trump has a mentality of a third-world strongman. In truth, Trump has no loyalty to the Republican party....and during the primaries that tried. When you're dealing with a narcissist, its very hard to have anything situation move forward in a healthy fashion.



Smartie900 said:
Jumpin said:

I am just surprised at how there are still people in the world who don't realize how grossly incompetent Trump is. I think Americans lack the background of Europeans and assume that money = competence; whereas we in Europe have a long history of incredibly stupid people inheriting wealth, and then thriving. We even have a dog, who inherited his wealth from a Countess, that is on its way to becoming a billionaire.

WAKE UP, recognize that you've voted an idiot reality TV show host to make decisions on your nation's politics. Admit your shame USA. Then deal with your problem appropriately. We all make mistakes (my country has made bigger ones than you have in the past), it's better to own up to them than to pretend "No, we knew what we did, and it was the right decision!"

Excessive pride and nationalism will make sure that we will never learn our mistakes. The orange Cheeto puff is here to stay for another 3 years. He might even get reelected.

I can't imagine Bernie to try it again, but I'm putting all my hopes in Michelle Obama to become the fist black female president of the USA. (/s)<-no sure if sarcasm



Psyberius said:
Errorist76 said:

Hitler was also hugely influenced by his anti-semitic friend and role-model Henry Ford.

Oh there's no doubt about that. Half of everything even at the beginning of the 19th century still considered slavery if not forcing people of different ethnicity into enclaves together and jobs that paid a fraction a white person would get.

Did Trump ever retract his not exactly condemnation in Charlottesville?  Nope, not one single bit despite the damage what his words created. WHY? The Trumpbase wasn't really affected by him not condemning it...if anything there were more Trumpites with the white supremacists so he was just protecting his people.

Trumps comment was actually spot on. Not everyone in Charlottesville was a racist looking for violence. Yes you had some racists in the crowd that got the blood boiling of the counter protesters but it was the counter protesters that were infringing on the racists freedom of speech and expression. The hate is from both sides and it is what led to the end result, one of the racists driving their car through the crowd and killing someone. You had peaceful people on both sides of that protest and you had violent people on both sides. Don't forget it is the "non-racist" left that were the ones protesting and rioting when Trump won. They were the ones damaging property and assaulting people. They are also the ones that continue to riot and assault whenever someone from the right wants to speak.



Superman4 said:

Trumps comment was actually spot on. Not everyone in Charlottesville was a racist looking for violence. 

If you're marching alongside nazis and confederates chanting "you will not replace us" and "blood and soil", it is EXTREMELY generous of someone to afford you nuance and say, "well, you might not necessarily be racist...". 

The white marchers in Charlottesville got afforded that nuance. Muslims entering the country from "select countries" do not get afforded that nuance. Nor do black athletes peacefully protesting. 

Trump gives abjectly awful white people the benefit of the doubt that he withholds from peaceful blacks and Muslims. Because he's a racist. Maybe he's not dressing up in a white hood and burning crosses on the weekend, but he's a racist. Because he treats white people as superior to others.



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specialk said:
Superman4 said:

Trumps comment was actually spot on. Not everyone in Charlottesville was a racist looking for violence. 

If you're marching alongside nazis and confederates chanting "you will not replace us" and "blood and soil", it is EXTREMELY generous of someone to afford you nuance and say, "well, you might not necessarily be racist...". 

The white marchers in Charlottesville got afforded that nuance. Muslims entering the country from "select countries" do not get afforded that nuance. Nor do black athletes peacefully protesting. 

Trump gives abjectly awful white people the benefit of the doubt that he withholds from peaceful blacks and Muslims. Because he's a racist. Maybe he's not dressing up in a white hood and burning crosses on the weekend, but he's a racist. Because he treats white people as superior to others.

Its not about the poor racists as SpokenTruth stated, nor is it about an NFL player kneeling. The issue is that the left is talking about infringing on free speech rights while at the same time assaulting people who are expressing their beliefs. The NFL protests go beyond free speech since they are an employee of the NFL and their respective teams and must abide by what the league states they do. They are not currently required to stand for the anthem however it is suggested that they do by the NFL. The fans that feel they are disrespecting fallen soldiers have the right to feel that way and have the right not to watch the NFL in protest. Trump has the right to be upset about it and voice his concerns and opinions as well. If the NFL decides it is not in its interest to allow kneeling during the anthem and requires players to stand then as an employer that is their right as well.  They have a number of rules regarding conduct and personal expression that relate to players and coaches already. Im not saying that the racists are right and I don't agree with them at all, Trump has denounced them and the various groups that support them. What I am saying is that regardless of the message, regardless of how you feel about the message everyone has the right to speak and demonstrate peacefully. It doesn't matter if they are carrying torches or dressed in sheets, it doesn't matter what they have on or what message they are yelling. If you dont like what a group of people are doing then stage a counter protest, dont do it at the same time though as this will incite violence and a shouting match which will accomplish nothing. Let them have their protest or Rally, set up a debate with the organizer or just schedule your own rally to get your message out. That is how peaceful demonstrations and Democracy work, not violence and threats. Violence and threats lead to more violence and threats as seen on numerous occasions. 



Errorist76 said:
Smartie900 said:

Excessive pride and nationalism will make sure that we will never learn our mistakes. The orange Cheeto puff is here to stay for another 3 years. He might even get reelected.

I can't imagine Bernie to try it again, but I'm putting all my hopes in Michelle Obama to become the fist black female president of the USA. (/s)<-no sure if sarcasm

I'm hoping for Caroline Kennedy.



 

 

Superman4 said:

Trumps comment was actually spot on. Not everyone in Charlottesville was a racist looking for violence. Yes you had some racists in the crowd that got the blood boiling of the counter protesters but it was the counter protesters that were infringing on the racists freedom of speech and expression. The hate is from both sides and it is what led to the end result, one of the racists driving their car through the crowd and killing someone. You had peaceful people on both sides of that protest and you had violent people on both sides. Don't forget it is the "non-racist" left that were the ones protesting and rioting when Trump won. They were the ones damaging property and assaulting people. They are also the ones that continue to riot and assault whenever someone from the right wants to speak.

There's a problem there though.  If you condemn the ones causing a problem but say nothing about the KKK members on the other side, by it's words, you make it *SOUND* like you're okay with the white supremacists. There is ZERO doubt that more troublemakers were on the other side. Okay so you attack them but you say nothing about the white supremacists.   

The takeaway that EVERYBODY got was that even though he didn't give props the supremacists, he sure made it sound like being a white supremacist was okay. What he SHOULD have done was ignore the troublemakers because they weren't really the problem there...they may have made things bad and wrong but people race hating is bad and wrong every single day of the week and three times on Sunday. His words didn't say that so a whole bunch of race haters are rapidly stroking it with smiles on their faces to the fact that the president didn't just hate on them and put their disgusting ways down so that the world understands that racial intolerance is despicable. To me it looks like he just supported a bunch that might be more towards Republican than the other side since all Trump seems to be concerned about is the fact that Hilly beat him by 3 million votes and Obamas inauguration had roughly 2x the people at it that his did(that he lied about in his tweet).

Sometimes what you don't say is much worse than what you do. A president of the United States should be well aware of that. T

Superman4 said: 

Its not about the poor racists as SpokenTruth stated, nor is it about an NFL player kneeling. The issue is that the left is talking about infringing on free speech rights while at the same time assaulting people who are expressing their beliefs. The NFL protests go beyond free speech since they are an employee of the NFL and their respective teams and must abide by what the league states they do. They are not currently required to stand for the anthem however it is suggested that they do by the NFL. The fans that feel they are disrespecting fallen soldiers have the right to feel that way and have the right not to watch the NFL in protest. Trump has the right to be upset about it and voice his concerns and opinions as well. If the NFL decides it is not in its interest to allow kneeling during the anthem and requires players to stand then as an employer that is their right as well.  They have a number of rules regarding conduct and personal expression that relate to players and coaches already. Im not saying that the racists are right and I don't agree with them at all, Trump has denounced them and the various groups that support them. What I am saying is that regardless of the message, regardless of how you feel about the message everyone has the right to speak and demonstrate peacefully. It doesn't matter if they are carrying torches or dressed in sheets, it doesn't matter what they have on or what message they are yelling. If you dont like what a group of people are doing then stage a counter protest, dont do it at the same time though as this will incite violence and a shouting match which will accomplish nothing. Let them have their protest or Rally, set up a debate with the organizer or just schedule your own rally to get your message out. That is how peaceful demonstrations and Democracy work, not violence and threats. Violence and threats lead to more violence and threats as seen on numerous occasions. 

Kneeling has NOTHING to do with fallen soldiers, alive soldiers or anything. IT has to do with the fact that the country is doing nothing about black human beings that are shot, or otherwise killed in a horribly disproportionate amount.

 

The only people making this a soldier versus football player deal is the president and the owners who are constantly in a state of flux with their oligopoly that controls every single aspect of the football market with their personal actions that constantly run over Anti-Trust laws. What happens between the owners of the teams is unlawful as they all come together to do illegal things...things like blackballing a black football player who is better than 32 backups and probably 10-12 starting quarterbacks on any given Sunday.  Oh but there's no collusion there despite the fact he's not been given a single honest work out with teams NEEDING him.

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Superman4 said:
Psyberius said:

Oh there's no doubt about that. Half of everything even at the beginning of the 19th century still considered slavery if not forcing people of different ethnicity into enclaves together and jobs that paid a fraction a white person would get.

Did Trump ever retract his not exactly condemnation in Charlottesville?  Nope, not one single bit despite the damage what his words created. WHY? The Trumpbase wasn't really affected by him not condemning it...if anything there were more Trumpites with the white supremacists so he was just protecting his people.

Trumps comment was actually spot on. Not everyone in Charlottesville was a racist looking for violence. Yes you had some racists in the crowd that got the blood boiling of the counter protesters but it was the counter protesters that were infringing on the racists freedom of speech and expression. The hate is from both sides and it is what led to the end result, one of the racists driving their car through the crowd and killing someone. You had peaceful people on both sides of that protest and you had violent people on both sides. Don't forget it is the "non-racist" left that were the ones protesting and rioting when Trump won. They were the ones damaging property and assaulting people. They are also the ones that continue to riot and assault whenever someone from the right wants to speak.

LOL, as this article points out, Republicans conveniently love to ignore history when it suits their agenda. Clearly none of you remember the racist riots and attacks that broke out all across the country when Obama was elected in 2008 and re-elected in 2012 even in states where he won. Right-wingers torched a predominantly black church in Massachusetts FFS and assaulted Obama supporters left and right (no pun intended). And let's not forget Trump supporters have let out a wave of assaults against minorities since his election, who were no doubt emboldened by it. They even vandalized school property with racist graffiti after said attacks, you gonna bring THAT up? LOL, who'm I kiddin'? Of course not!

For somebody claiming to take the moral high ground, Trump sure seems awfully selective about who's first amendment rights he wants to respect (gee, I wonder why). We can decry blacks exercising their first amendment rights in the form of KNEELING until we're blue in the face, but God forbid anyone dare speak out against those poor, oppressed white nationalist lunatics marching through crowded streets with blow torches and assault rifles and shouting fascist, anti-Semitic drivel while clad in Nazi signs and outfits. Those poor white supremacists carrying body armor, helmets and firearms must've been petrified at them counter protesters coming at them with their cardboard signs!

Tell me: which side actually murdered people on the other side? Who was there inciting violence to begin with? Who actually beat and bloodied people on the other side with pipes? Who struck first? Answer to all: the Neo-Nazi, traitor-supporting scumbags (and yes, Robert E. Lee was, by definition, a traitor, deal with it). There's literally zero equivalence here, but yet Trump continued to make such equivalence where one clearly didn't exist even against his own party colleagues' insistence. He also pleaded and begged for his statue to remain despite the fact that it attracted said violence he claimed to oppose when there was literally 0 reason for it to exist on public property before this. It would be like Germany having a statue of Adolf Hitler or America having a King George statue, spare me the "deeeeeeey're remooveng hystury!" nonsense.



KManX89 said:
Superman4 said:

Trumps comment was actually spot on. Not everyone in Charlottesville was a racist looking for violence. Yes you had some racists in the crowd that got the blood boiling of the counter protesters but it was the counter protesters that were infringing on the racists freedom of speech and expression. The hate is from both sides and it is what led to the end result, one of the racists driving their car through the crowd and killing someone. You had peaceful people on both sides of that protest and you had violent people on both sides. Don't forget it is the "non-racist" left that were the ones protesting and rioting when Trump won. They were the ones damaging property and assaulting people. They are also the ones that continue to riot and assault whenever someone from the right wants to speak.

LOL, as this article points out, Republicans conveniently love to ignore history when it suits their agenda. Clearly none of you remember the racist riots and attacks that broke out all across the country when Obama was elected in 2008 and re-elected in 2012 even in states where he won. Right-wingers torched a predominantly black church in Massachusetts FFS and assaulted Obama supporters left and right (no pun intended). And let's not forget Trump supporters have let out a wave of assaults against minorities since his election, who were no doubt emboldened by it. They even vandalized school property with racist graffiti after said attacks, you gonna bring THAT up? LOL, who'm I kiddin'? Of course not!

For somebody claiming to take the moral high ground, Trump sure seems awfully selective about who's first amendment rights he wants to respect (gee, I wonder why). We can decry blacks exercising their first amendment rights in the form of KNEELING until we're blue in the face, but God forbid anyone dare speak out against those poor, oppressed white nationalist lunatics marching through crowded streets with blow torches and assault rifles and shouting fascist, anti-Semitic drivel while clad in Nazi signs and outfits. Those poor white supremacists carrying body armor, helmets and firearms must've been petrified at them counter protesters coming at them with their cardboard signs!

Tell me: which side actually murdered people on the other side? Who was there inciting violence to begin with? Who actually beat and bloodied people on the other side with pipes? Who struck first? Answer to all: the Neo-Nazi, traitor-supporting scumbags (and yes, Robert E. Lee was, by definition, a traitor, deal with it). There's literally zero equivalence here, but yet Trump continued to make such equivalence where one clearly didn't exist even against his own party colleagues' insistence. He also pleaded and begged for his statue to remain despite the fact that it attracted said violence he claimed to oppose when there was literally 0 reason for it to exist on public property before this. It would be like Germany having a statue of Adolf Hitler or America having a King George statue, spare me the "deeeeeeey're remooveng hystury!" nonsense.

Im sure some people were pissed when Obama got elected but it was nothing like what the Dems and LIberals did and continue to do. Not to mention I remember a church being lit on fire by Democrat supporters and swastikas etc. being painted on the walls to make it look like it was a Trump supporter.  

In regards to statues, they have been around and just fine for decades with nobody saying a word. Only when it becomes the thing to do does everyone get all offended and call for their removal.