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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
jason1637 said:

There are many ways we can help those who are disabled, poor, and old without just giving them money. Maybe the disabled cold be an outlier if they're unable to do a lot of things by themselves.

Maybe I just view it all differently because I often put my own life at risk to save others, thus I have compassion and empathy towards others.

jason1637 said:

For the elderly they should save whIle they're working for retirement and they have family to depend on.

There is zero guarantees that anyone is going to have family to fall back/rely on. And why should they rely on family members? It's demeaning.
Some people I have cared for in the past who were elderly had zero family due to various circumstances.
I.E. They migrated over here.
I.E. Their family members passed away.
I.E. They were adopted/forced out of home and have no record of prior family. (Like Australia's "Stolen generation".)

Your approach is far to cold and leaves far to many people potentially vulnerable... And in my opinion is entirely unacceptable.

jason1637 said:

But for the poor the government can always invest more in poorer communities and fixing the criminal justice system.

Why can't they do that anyway? Isn't the USA supposed to be the supreme example of a modern, highly developed, successful nation? Yet it tends to falter on various statistics.

jason1637 said:

The disabled  is more tricky since there are a ton of disabilites. But there are already anti discrimination laws for the disabled.

And so there should.

jason1637 said:

Also society does not always equal government. There are charitable organizations.

Charitable organizations don't always have financial guarantees. Often they will run out of cash, food, clothing and shelter.

The ironic part about it all is... Welfare can actually increase economic activity, for example there was a business here that had the majority of it's revenue from welfare recipients... Certainly did more than just handing out billions more to the rich that sits in a bank account doing nothing somewhere. (Or going overseas for various schemes.)



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jason1637 said:

1. He really dropped the ball with the mexico paying for the wall part.

2. Most middle class and poor Americans recived tax cuts along with the rich. It is good for everyone.

3. I wish he would have cut spending more honestly. Not a big fan of social security anyway.

4. Yeah the debt should have been top priority imo. It's getting way out of hand.

5. His cabinet could be better but its alright. Even if they are billionaires meh.

6. Trump has actually done a pretty good job when it comes ot millions of new manufacturing jobs throughout his term. Some misteps for sure but overall its been good imo.

7. I though the Mexican trade war ended already with the thing they signed with Canada/US/Mexico. The China trade war is dumb tho and should have ended a long time ago but if it ends up working that will be good.

8. Yup, Obamacare needs to be replaced asap.

9. We should have never got involved in the ME to begin with. Even if ISIS is not fully defeated let other countries handle it.

Jesus fucking christ stop calling it Obamacare. It's "The affordable care act", republicans who hate Obama use his name as a derogative in order to devalue what it actually does. I bet if you actually did your research you'd know that 'obamacare' is actually a remarkably beneficial thing to ALL americans, and anything that it's replaced with will just be a tweaked version of the same thing. 

You want healthcare but hate that Obama's name is on it to 'own the libs' or whatever, but what you don't seem to realize is that in this case both sides want the same thing but are locked in some foolish, frankly stupid argument about it because it got the moniker 'obamacare'. 

Could you be any more transparent? 



SpokenTruth said:
Bofferbrauer2 said:

What's worse to that is that's based on a prediction of a yearly 3% growth, whereas all indicators only give the US 1.6-1.8% over the next years - and any potential recession would destroy any hope of balancing that off.

Edit: That's the hypocrisy of the GOP: They label themselves "fiscal conservative" ,as in less spending and more income, but all they do whenever they are in power is raise the military budget to new heights and cut taxes (especially for the rich and super rich), ensuring that the budget will never get balanced. Once the democrats are back in power or just show theur policies, they'll get immediately accused of spendthrift - while they are themselves to blame.

I've seen a pattern in political party spending and ideologies.  It goes something like this:

 

Careful, you'll get banned for telling the truth in a way that offends people. 



Alara317 said:
jason1637 said:

1. He really dropped the ball with the mexico paying for the wall part.

2. Most middle class and poor Americans recived tax cuts along with the rich. It is good for everyone.

3. I wish he would have cut spending more honestly. Not a big fan of social security anyway.

4. Yeah the debt should have been top priority imo. It's getting way out of hand.

5. His cabinet could be better but its alright. Even if they are billionaires meh.

6. Trump has actually done a pretty good job when it comes ot millions of new manufacturing jobs throughout his term. Some misteps for sure but overall its been good imo.

7. I though the Mexican trade war ended already with the thing they signed with Canada/US/Mexico. The China trade war is dumb tho and should have ended a long time ago but if it ends up working that will be good.

8. Yup, Obamacare needs to be replaced asap.

9. We should have never got involved in the ME to begin with. Even if ISIS is not fully defeated let other countries handle it.

Jesus fucking christ stop calling it Obamacare. It's "The affordable care act", republicans who hate Obama use his name as a derogative in order to devalue what it actually does. I bet if you actually did your research you'd know that 'obamacare' is actually a remarkably beneficial thing to ALL americans, and anything that it's replaced with will just be a tweaked version of the same thing. 

You want healthcare but hate that Obama's name is on it to 'own the libs' or whatever, but what you don't seem to realize is that in this case both sides want the same thing but are locked in some foolish, frankly stupid argument about it because it got the moniker 'obamacare'

Could you be any more transparent? 

Seems to be a good healthcare overall,but there is a huge gap between the costs based on income so i can see why it brings so much conflict.

It is called obamacare by lots of sources as a sidename,by liberals and by non liberals.



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Pemalite said:
jason1637 said:

There are many ways we can help those who are disabled, poor, and old without just giving them money. Maybe the disabled cold be an outlier if they're unable to do a lot of things by themselves.

Maybe I just view it all differently because I often put my own life at risk to save others, thus I have compassion and empathy towards others.

jason1637 said:

For the elderly they should save whIle they're working for retirement and they have family to depend on.

There is zero guarantees that anyone is going to have family to fall back/rely on. And why should they rely on family members? It's demeaning.
Some people I have cared for in the past who were elderly had zero family due to various circumstances.
I.E. They migrated over here.
I.E. Their family members passed away.
I.E. They were adopted/forced out of home and have no record of prior family. (Like Australia's "Stolen generation".)

Your approach is far to cold and leaves far to many people potentially vulnerable... And in my opinion is entirely unacceptable.

jason1637 said:

But for the poor the government can always invest more in poorer communities and fixing the criminal justice system.

Why can't they do that anyway? Isn't the USA supposed to be the supreme example of a modern, highly developed, successful nation? Yet it tends to falter on various statistics.

jason1637 said:

The disabled  is more tricky since there are a ton of disabilites. But there are already anti discrimination laws for the disabled.

And so there should.

jason1637 said:

Also society does not always equal government. There are charitable organizations.

Charitable organizations don't always have financial guarantees. Often they will run out of cash, food, clothing and shelter.

The ironic part about it all is... Welfare can actually increase economic activity, for example there was a business here that had the majority of it's revenue from welfare recipients... Certainly did more than just handing out billions more to the rich that sits in a bank account doing nothing somewhere. (Or going overseas for various schemes.)

Personally, I'm not one to risk my life for people im not close with. I do like helping people if i can but would not risk my life for a random person.

Someone having no family members to care for is pretty rare though. But in such a situation the person should have saved for retirement throughout their career because living on social security alone would actually be a struggle.

We have been doing more recently. The opportunities zone ec Trump signed a few months ago and the First step acts were good steps in investing in poor neighborhoods and fixing our criminal justice system. We can and should do more though.

Yeah but you mentioned society taking care of people. Charities should be the way its done instead of the government. In theory a good society will have charities that don't run out of donated money since people would continue to contribute ot them.

But if there were less or no welfare programs the government could cut down more on taxes to the middle class and poor which would give them more spending power. Also other types of taxes like corporate taxes could be cut which would also help the economy.

Alara317 said:
jason1637 said:

1. He really dropped the ball with the mexico paying for the wall part.

2. Most middle class and poor Americans recived tax cuts along with the rich. It is good for everyone.

3. I wish he would have cut spending more honestly. Not a big fan of social security anyway.

4. Yeah the debt should have been top priority imo. It's getting way out of hand.

5. His cabinet could be better but its alright. Even if they are billionaires meh.

6. Trump has actually done a pretty good job when it comes ot millions of new manufacturing jobs throughout his term. Some misteps for sure but overall its been good imo.

7. I though the Mexican trade war ended already with the thing they signed with Canada/US/Mexico. The China trade war is dumb tho and should have ended a long time ago but if it ends up working that will be good.

8. Yup, Obamacare needs to be replaced asap.

9. We should have never got involved in the ME to begin with. Even if ISIS is not fully defeated let other countries handle it.

Jesus fucking christ stop calling it Obamacare. It's "The affordable care act", republicans who hate Obama use his name as a derogative in order to devalue what it actually does. I bet if you actually did your research you'd know that 'obamacare' is actually a remarkably beneficial thing to ALL americans, and anything that it's replaced with will just be a tweaked version of the same thing. 

You want healthcare but hate that Obama's name is on it to 'own the libs' or whatever, but what you don't seem to realize is that in this case both sides want the same thing but are locked in some foolish, frankly stupid argument about it because it got the moniker 'obamacare'. 

Could you be any more transparent? 

What are you on about? I never said I did not like Obamacare. TBH it is a good first step to having a universal health care system and it should be improved upon to cover more people. I just call it Obamacare cause I like that name better than ACA.



jason1637 said:

1. He really dropped the ball with the mexico paying for the wall part.

2. Most middle class and poor Americans recived tax cuts along with the rich. It is good for everyone.

I am not sure who received this tax cut.  I am middle class and saw 26 bucks extra in my pay.  This was then offset by them changing the tax code where I usually received a decent amount coming back when I file but now I barely get anything.  Maybe other people experience is different.

3. I wish he would have cut spending more honestly. Not a big fan of social security anyway.

Well your will has come True, he is trying to Cut Medicare and Medicaid which is something he stated he would not do on the campaign trail.  As I have stated plenty of times, Trump is that 2 edge sword.  If something comes in from of Him making money well, that promise goes out the window.

4. Yeah the debt should have been top priority imo. It's getting way out of hand.

5. His cabinet could be better but its alright. Even if they are billionaires meh.

Who cares if they are billionaires, the problem is that all of them are self serving Billionaires that look only to increase how they obtain and maintain wealth for themselves.  Oh well, I guess if you do not understand this part you have a ways to go in understanding politics.

6. Trump has actually done a pretty good job when it comes ot millions of new manufacturing jobs throughout his term. Some misteps for sure but overall its been good imo.

7. I though the Mexican trade war ended already with the thing they signed with Canada/US/Mexico. The China trade war is dumb tho and should have ended a long time ago but if it ends up working that will be good.

The new Trade agreement has not been ratified by Congress yet.  Also it does not remove any of the tariffs imposed.   You also forget that we have new tariffs for Europe and Trump and his administration is threaten more.  The big problem is not the Tariffs it more of the why.  When you hear him talk about Tariffs he sounds like an idiot.  Making stupid statements that the US is gaining more money from Tariffs as if that is how it works.

8. Yup, Obamacare needs to be replaced asap.

You would have to expound on this statement first to make that claim.  I am under the assumption that you probably have no clue how it works, who it supports and whats in it.  I will tell you that no its no where close to being perfect but it does have a lot of good things within it that can be tweaked for the better.

9. We should have never got involved in the ME to begin with. Even if ISIS is not fully defeated let other countries handle it.

 

I never saw this reply so decided to add my thoughts in bold. 



jason1637 said:

Personally, I'm not one to risk my life for people im not close with. I do like helping people if i can but would not risk my life for a random person.

That is sad to see... And is very much part of what is wrong with society of today.
People aren't willing to help each other... They are quick to moan about migrants, but not willing to assist their neighbor in need.

jason1637 said:

Someone having no family members to care for is pretty rare though. But in such a situation the person should have saved for retirement throughout their career because living on social security alone would actually be a struggle.

And yet it does happen.
And they might have saved for retirement for their entire life... But then you have things like the Global Financial Crisis that happened.

If living on social security is a struggle, then increase it.

jason1637 said:

We have been doing more recently. The opportunities zone ec Trump signed a few months ago and the First step acts were good steps in investing in poor neighborhoods and fixing our criminal justice system. We can and should do more though.

All nations should strive for that, irrespective of leader.
If Trump is doing a good job on this front (I have no idea) then credit needs to be given where credit is due, regardless of what anyone thinks of him as an individual.

jason1637 said:

Yeah but you mentioned society taking care of people. Charities should be the way its done instead of the government. In theory a good society will have charities that don't run out of donated money since people would continue to contribute ot them.

Charities don't automatically disappear thanks to social security. They are there to augment it still and will generally increase the standard of living even more... It also means that charities can invest in other avenues... Like safe houses for those trying to escape domestic violence.

jason1637 said:

But if there were less or no welfare programs the government could cut down more on taxes to the middle class and poor which would give them more spending power. Also other types of taxes like corporate taxes could be cut which would also help the economy.

The poor don't benefit as much from tax breaks as one would think, they are poor for a reason and usually it's due to income limitations...
What is the tax rate on the US minimum wage? And how much extra money would said individual gain per hour with a tax rate cut? It's not going to be much at the USA's stupidly low minimum wage rate that's for sure.

I guess my perspective on all of this is probably going to be different... As my own country has a very successful social security system that has done more good than harm and tends to trend higher in regards to standard of living in most aspects... And that is with moderate tax rates too.



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Machiavellian said:
jason1637 said:

I never saw this reply so decided to add my thoughts in bold. 

imo we should switch to a single payer system or try to increase the subsidies to make it cheaper for more people because it's still pretty expensive for those that have it.



Pemalite said:
jason1637 said:

Personally, I'm not one to risk my life for people im not close with. I do like helping people if i can but would not risk my life for a random person.

That is sad to see... And is very much part of what is wrong with society of today.
People aren't willing to help each other... They are quick to moan about migrants, but not willing to assist their neighbor in need.

jason1637 said:

Someone having no family members to care for is pretty rare though. But in such a situation the person should have saved for retirement throughout their career because living on social security alone would actually be a struggle.

And yet it does happen.
And they might have saved for retirement for their entire life... But then you have things like the Global Financial Crisis that happened.

If living on social security is a struggle, then increase it.

jason1637 said:

We have been doing more recently. The opportunities zone ec Trump signed a few months ago and the First step acts were good steps in investing in poor neighborhoods and fixing our criminal justice system. We can and should do more though.

All nations should strive for that, irrespective of leader.
If Trump is doing a good job on this front (I have no idea) then credit needs to be given where credit is due, regardless of what anyone thinks of him as an individual.

jason1637 said:

Yeah but you mentioned society taking care of people. Charities should be the way its done instead of the government. In theory a good society will have charities that don't run out of donated money since people would continue to contribute ot them.

Charities don't automatically disappear thanks to social security. They are there to augment it still and will generally increase the standard of living even more... It also means that charities can invest in other avenues... Like safe houses for those trying to escape domestic violence.

jason1637 said:

But if there were less or no welfare programs the government could cut down more on taxes to the middle class and poor which would give them more spending power. Also other types of taxes like corporate taxes could be cut which would also help the economy.

The poor don't benefit as much from tax breaks as one would think, they are poor for a reason and usually it's due to income limitations...
What is the tax rate on the US minimum wage? And how much extra money would said individual gain per hour with a tax rate cut? It's not going to be much at the USA's stupidly low minimum wage rate that's for sure.

I guess my perspective on all of this is probably going to be different... As my own country has a very successful social security system that has done more good than harm and tends to trend higher in regards to standard of living in most aspects... And that is with moderate tax rates too.

I'm not saying i'm not willing to help other because I am. I'm just not as willing to help random people if I would have to risk my life. I feel most people can relate to this because i doubt lots of people would risk their life to help a stranger.

People know that they are going to retire even if they have no money or not. They should take this responsibility into their own hands and manage their funds so they can have enough when they eventually do retire. At most SS should only be available for those who are unable to work due to disabilities and maybe other reasons.

Yeah even after Trump is not President anymore we should continue to invest in poor communities and fix the criminal justice system. At least we can agree on that XD.

Charities are good and imo they should be the ones to handle welfare initiatives. The government should push people into the right direction but not hold their hands like we do today.

If there are no social security or welfare programs not only can taxes be cut on the middle class and poor but we can also invest in these communities to push people in a direction of greater wealth instead of just giving them stuff. There are a lot of other ways the government can help its people without welfare and social security.