Yeah I don't think anything worse would happen. The rest of the world would be happy Kim is gone anyway.

Edit: I know it's a bit extreme but the time foe diplomacy is over. We need to destroy the Kim regime and finally get results. 

I do not know what to think of that article,it tells us a tale of vague information about researchers and statistics and treats it as facts,and even then it tells us that these statistics show us that rape is not remembered well in some cases, like it is a rarity.

Like i said i can not give you full closure of what the truth is,my own experience with trauma is remembering each detail clearly even if i want to forget.

Do you not recognize the precedent a pre-emptive nuclear strike sets?  All you are seeing is 'Kim is gone - yay'.  What you're not seeing is 'Who else can we nuke that we don't like'?  Or 'The US did it so we can do it too'.

But they would be absolutely horrified on how that's been done. You have to think past the act and what message it sends.

No, that's literally the exact opposite of suspicious. It's almost like you're not a woman and therefore have absolutely no idea what it's like to be sexually harassed or how you'd respond to it, ESPECIALLY back in the 80's when it happened. 

Not sure if you've noticed, but this response here is exactly the problem. Women don't come forward TODAY (let alone back in the 80's) when they get sexually harassed or outright assaulted/raped because of people like you who don't believe them, don't trust them, or question their 'motives'. Proving rape is remarkably challenging, proving sexual harassment is just as hard. Even when rapists are accused and taken to court a disheartening number of them go free because it's her word vs his and that's never 'beyond reasonable doubt', as the modern law systems require for a conviction. 

It almost never works out when a woman (or man, let's not be sexist here) calls out their accuser. all it does is put the spotlight on them and never ends up resolving anything. Not until recently, anyway. 

I'll tell you a story about a female friend of mine on the receiving end of forceful, unwanted sexual advances so you maybe have a slightly more personal explanation rather than some big national event that went to court. 

I have a roommate who moved in around Summer 2017. I'd known him a while through work but it was nice to finally have him living with me because we're both pretty cool and open about certain elements of our sexuality. We never fooled around together but we could happily talk about that sort of thing with ease. After a few months living with me, he started dating some girl off the internet, a dating app of some sort. I'm not familiar.  She immediately got bad vibes from him because he was being creepy and was acting like since they were out 'on a date' it meant he could kiss her, grab her ass, and get in REAL close for those selfie shots. She shot him down, told him no, and moved on. 

However, he managed to convince her that it was just 'first date jitters' and she agreed to a second date wherein he actually smartened up and was far more respectful of her. They got to know each other, she came to the house and met me, we all got along and all was well, at least for a short while. 

Soon thereafter this roommate of mine ended up pushing she and I, trying to get us all to do a threesome, and after we both laughed it off, he ignored us for a while. By this time She had become friends (strictly platonic), but that didn't stop my roommate from pushing. He'd insist and joke and butt his head into all of our conversations and try to convince us to do a threesome with him. At first we thought it was kinda funny but I guess one time we were all in the mood so we fooled around. After that, he NEVER LEFT US ALONE! It was like a dog with a bone, a caveman who discovered sex for the first time. Once he had it, he wanted more and more and more but REFUSED to accept no as an answer. The only way we could get him to bugger off was to just say she was on her period or that we just weren't interested, we couldn't say that he was being a creeper because this would send him into a fit of rage about how 'he's trying' and how we 'shouldn't have kept silent for so long', blaming us for not telling him soon enough about his inappropriate behaviour. 

This persisted for a while until one time she and I were fooling arond and he just walked on in on us and started masturbating as he watched...we couldn't finish, but said we did. after that we gave him a long talking-to about his behaviour once more, where once again he threw a 'woe is me' fit about how he couldn't learn if we didn't tell him. 

Months passed without us talking about it, things settled down, and eventually, we all got back on good terms. They started chatting online, and his behaviour was better. It seemed like all was well so she foolishly decided 'hey, maybe we can try dating again!' (In retrospect we all knew this was a bad idea but this roommate has a tendency to put on the charm when he's not being an immature sex-pest so at the time it seemed reasonable.) 

Well, I was out of the house for the month of January 2018, which proved to be a VERY bad decision. See, by this point she hardly visited unless I was home, and almost refused to come over if it was just my roommate and her because he had shown himself to be unstable and dangerous (Did I mention he's tall and in good shape and she's petite and meek?). She hoped through all this she could perhaps fix him, the same thing I'd been doing for a year by now.) 

While they were here alone, without me or my roommate in the house, he suddenly got VERY sexually aggressive. Groping her even when she pushed him off, holding her tight when she tried to pull away, and trying to force his hands down her pants after REPEATED insistences that she didn't want that and that she wasn't comfortable. However, he 'put on the charm' and kept trying. She was worried by this point that if she gave a stern enough 'no' he'd lose his temper with her, so she finally gave in, let him have his way with her, then packed up and left and didn't return to visit for many months after that. She stayed in contact with me online, confided in me what happened, but asked me not to make a fuss about it because she knew it wouldn't do anything. Perhaps we both assumed it was because my roommate was young and just needed a lesson in consent. 

She did eventually come back to visit, but she only came to visit me. Never him. She didn't even want to visit if she was worried he'd be around. she was afraid of him, but she still never pressed charges because...obviously...she eventually said yes. Sure, she said no dozens of times, going so far as to be physically forceful with him in ensuring he didn't shove his hands down her pants or invade her space, but she eventually said yes, and there are many people out there who foolishly think 'well she said yes once' nullifies the dozens of times she said no. In her mind, she just wanted to put it behind her, forget it happened, and move on with her life. 

And since I'd experienced this roommate's sexual aggression on MANY occasions and saw his temper tantrums first hand, I knew she wasn't lying about a word  of it. 

Fast forward to December 2018. This roommate of mine has just discovered a friend of mine that he's got his eyes on. A friend I respect. a friend I'm eager to reaquaint myself with after years of drifting apart. so you know what I do? I WARN MY FRIEND about my roommate's poor understanding of consent. I warn my friend that once my roommate smells sex in the air he won't take no for an answer. My friend, finding this oddly charming and not alarming at all, simply tells me he's fine and that I should let him make his own decisions. So I do. I leave it alone until a fateful day right before Christmas when I'm inviting this female friend of mine over and my roommate is inviting my male friend over. Male friend asks about female friend, so I tell him straight up, no euphemisms or soft language: "This is the woman he raped." 

Drama ensues. Not because my roommate raped my female friend, but because I had the audacity to SAY that he did, thus risking his relationship to my male friend. 

And why did I wait for almost a full year to make this information known? Because my roommate was now setting his sights upon a person that mattered to me. I didn't want to see his shitty behaviour have an impact on those around me any longer. I kept silent and so did she because we felt it had no chance of making a difference if we spoke. but the moment came when this rapist roommate of mine was eyeing someone else and I wanted to protect my friend from my roommate's shitty behaviour. 

In many ways it's the same way here. She didn't testify for 35 years because she knew it wouldn't make a difference, ESPECIALLY not back then. Now, however, this man - whom she knows to be the scum of the earth - is about to be signed in as one of the most powerful men in America, one who's ethics are a key driving factor in his ability to do his job well. She knows that she can't take him to court, but it's important as hell to have the story known because NOW he's in a position to do some real damage to others if his behaviour isn't brought to light. 

I am not the woman in this story - either of them - but having witnessed a vaguely similar case myself, I think it's REMARKABLY important for people like you to know why women keep their mouths shut when assaulted (hint: it's people like you), but also why, when their assailant is about to acquire a position of power or affect others, that it may be pertinent to raise your voice. The fact that #MeToo is so prevalent now helps. 

So yeah, stop trying to devalue her story just because you don't find it timely. You need a dose of reality in your life, because your privelege is showing. 

I don't see anything bad about setting a precedent that we will nuke countries that are ran by dictators who constantly send threats our way.

It sends a message of "Don't be a dictator ". Dictators like Kim need to be sent out of office by force since diplomacy has gotten no results.

I don't see anything bad about setting a precedent that we will nuke countries that are ran by dictators who constantly send threats our way.

It sends a message of "Don't be a dictator ". Dictators like Kim need to be sent out of office by force since diplomacy has gotten no results.

No, it sends a message: "We do what we want, and we don't care about anybody else", since, while no one like Kim, nuking him would be something nobody would want, either.

It will also make many people fear the US. And like a Dog that's cornered, even if he has not the slightest chance he will bite. So having people around the world fearing the might and insolence of the US would maybe send a negative message to Dictators, but more certainly breed terrorists out of fear of what the US could do to them.

@bolded: so you wouldn't mind either if France nukes the white house when Trump sends his nth threats against the EU? Since after having set that precedent you're talking about this should be fair game, too.

Yeah,  I have to agree with Spoken and Boffer on this one, big time.  That is waaaaaay to hamfisted of an approach and an incomplete diplomacy strategy, but I guess that's besides the point.

  To be brief, the international community could support us in an incursion based upon A LOT of approval and likely a nod from the U.N.
If we did what you are proposing, NO matter the outcome, the International Community would barbarize our name and call for our flag.

In many ways you're right, but that's also the crux of what's wrong with the world right now. 

The world isn't black and white...most of the time. as such, we should be carefully considering what people say and respecting opinions...most of the time. 

This is not one of those times. Trump is only one step above the drunkard ranting about the end times on the street corner. His followers are only a few levels removed from nazis. I really, REALLY hate saying that because Nazis were terrible but have you actually listened to the rhetoric they spew? It's not as vitriolic as what Hitler was saying back in the 30's and 40's but if you don't see the xenophobic overtones that parallel one another and how, yes, the stuff like the holding cages is just a prelude to concentration camps, then that's on you. 

Under most circumstances I would be on the other side of the issue, saying that we as a people should show more compassion and carefully consider the points of our enemies. However, we live in a world where 50 million people voted for a certifiably crazy person who is so removed from reality he is a very real threat and danger to his people and the world around them. 

Sometimes, like in this case, action needs to be taken against that which would threaten the way of life of all decent people. 

And I actually have VERY high faith in humanity as a whole. On the worldwide scale the Human Race has never been better. I just find it disgusting that the last stand of the racists somehow manifested as a white nationalist in office who has an open hatred towards anyone with darker skin, be it mexicans, middle easterners, or black folks from 'shithole countries'. The rest of us have moved on, the US is stunningly stuck in the past, the world's racist uncle who 'means well' but does so by saying the world would be better without jews (or in this case 'filthy mexicans'.) 

On the whole we really shouldn't be respecting these people. 

The problem is that you are using YOUR definition of dictator and a "big problem".  What happens when another country decides to use their definition of dictator and big problem against us?  We set that precedent.

Especially the "big problem" part.  We are a far bigger problem to much of the world right now than NK is.  If that is your grounds for nuclear annihilation, we are in big trouble.

And don't forget the internal precedent.  What if a future president decides some other country is a big problem and wipes them out too?  A country you may not think is a big problem but that president might.  Precedent is set.