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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
EricHiggin on 04 March 2019
PortisheadBiscuit said:
EricHiggin said:

Why nothing to back that up this time? 

Nope, your mental gymnastics are Olympic level...no interest in continuing a discussion headed no where :) 

Well thanks for participating. Practice makes perfect.

Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Ya, you did. You initially asked who, and then followed up by pointing out it was me and then explained your reasoning.

I am blaming everyone else? Everyone? How often do the left just let something go, or say something positive about Trump, in comparison to finding a way to bash him by any means? Children exaggerate... especially when they are caught or in trouble. Who's fault is it that your son lies all the time? Who set that example? Who should have put a stop to it asap? 

Partially true yes. When did I say I think everyone has nothing in common and can't come to terms in some cases? I don't remember using a word like deplorable since words that have no place when talking about the public in general. Rail against the left? I responded to a hit against the right. I'm balancing the viewpoint on the subject. You don't get balance by letting someone knock you down and continue to kick you while your down, slowly accumulating more kickers. The reason why the boxes exist is because while I, from time to time see a center righty or indy admit they are wrong or at least admit they didn't see things a certain way and need to rethink their position, I almost never see a lefty do so. They tend to spin the point or lie through their teeth if need be to hold their position. The far right can be the same way. It's like weighing a bar of gold vs a feather and expecting them to agree the scale should be balanced. The feather can't do much to gain weight, but the gold bar can sure change to lose enough to balance the scale, but it's gold, so why would it degrade itself, right? Equality?

You seem to be missing the first response to your post where as I stated again you continue to blame everyone else for Trump failures, character flaws or choices he makes.  Its always the Dems, the left, the media but never Trump. In politics, no one just let something go.  Every president has had every decision criticized, how that person handle that pressure is what defines their character.

As for my son lies, anything he does is his choice. Children lie to get out of trouble and its the parent's job to work on those flaws and help them understand the consequences of their actions.  The fault will always be on the child and the responsibility to correct those faults are with the parents.  From your response, I see why you accept Trump lies and always look to blame someone else. You look to shift blame or find someone or something else for the choices the President makes.

If I understand what you are saying, you need to put people into a box. Lets take the word deplorable.  So one person used that word and now you are painting all people left as following the same thinking as that one person.  So every time one person says something you do not agree with, if they are on the left or you believe they are on the left, you just paint them with that broad stroke instead of the individual.  

Blame everyone else in my initial post? Where I said he could have offered billions to sweeten the deal but the left would have scolded him for that? How is that blaming the left for his failure to strike a deal? Him being scolded wouldn't prevent a worthy deal from happening if it could have. Trump doesn't care about the left so I'm told.

So if the people, not part of Gov, and not that well versed in politics, are acting like children due to poor MSM parenting, why when 'dad', the Prez, tries to teach them a something and straighten them out, he gets bashed and ridiculed for his parenting? Half or more of the kids are listening and behaving just fine. Shifting blame to the child? Why don't we let them vote? If the child constantly lies, odds are good it's not mostly the kids fault, since they don't know any better and won't unless proper teachings or consequences are put before them. Many kids will throw a tantrum when this happens but backing down and being 'mr nice guy' will only get you lied to more and walked all over. I wonder why Trump doesn't back down?

I just simply said I didn't use a phrase like deplorables, to back up my point about not blaming 'everyone' so you seemed to somehow think. You then took that an turned it into me painting the entire left with that. Didn't I recently mention something about the left and spin?



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Superman4 on 05 March 2019
CaptainExplosion said:
Superman4 said:

Hows that collusion working out for you lol

Clearly you haven't been paying attention to the Cohen testimony.

Pretty clear you haven't. Cohen stated in his BS "testimony" that zero collusion happened between Trump and Russia.  He also made statements that completely upend the entire basis for the investigation in the first place.  Now you have Schitt mouth claiming yet again they have "evidence" of collusion even after the Comey investigation of 2 years provided zero evidence and he stated they had evidence 2 years ago. 

Not to mention it is comical that a convicted liar is brought before the same people he is convicted of lying to and asked to give testimony at all. The guy has proven he will say whatever he feels he needs to in order to get a reduced sentence and get in the good graces of the libs.



Superman4 on 05 March 2019
Machiavellian said:
True to form and wasting no time, we see Trump doing what Trump does best, blame someone else for his failure. Now who didn't see this coming.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/politics/ct-trump-blames-cohen-testimony-north-korea-summit-20190304-story.html

He didnt blame anything on the "testimony". He stated a fact which is that the Liberal media chose to focus all attention on a convicted liar instead of a meeting with a country that has huge ramifications on the world. They chose to show the hearing because they knew they would like what they heard and it would play into their bullshit narrative. Cohen even admitted to being briefed on what to say by Schitt face himself. 



Superman4 on 05 March 2019
EricHiggin said:
PortisheadBiscuit said:

Nope, your mental gymnastics are Olympic level...no interest in continuing a discussion headed no where :) 

Well thanks for participating. Practice makes perfect.

Machiavellian said:

You seem to be missing the first response to your post where as I stated again you continue to blame everyone else for Trump failures, character flaws or choices he makes.  Its always the Dems, the left, the media but never Trump. In politics, no one just let something go.  Every president has had every decision criticized, how that person handle that pressure is what defines their character.

As for my son lies, anything he does is his choice. Children lie to get out of trouble and its the parent's job to work on those flaws and help them understand the consequences of their actions.  The fault will always be on the child and the responsibility to correct those faults are with the parents.  From your response, I see why you accept Trump lies and always look to blame someone else. You look to shift blame or find someone or something else for the choices the President makes.

If I understand what you are saying, you need to put people into a box. Lets take the word deplorable.  So one person used that word and now you are painting all people left as following the same thinking as that one person.  So every time one person says something you do not agree with, if they are on the left or you believe they are on the left, you just paint them with that broad stroke instead of the individual.  

Blame everyone else in my initial post? Where I said he could have offered billions to sweeten the deal but the left would have scolded him for that? How is that blaming the left for his failure to strike a deal? Him being scolded wouldn't prevent a worthy deal from happening if it could have. Trump doesn't care about the left so I'm told.

So if the people, not part of Gov, and not that well versed in politics, are acting like children due to poor MSM parenting, why when 'dad', the Prez, tries to teach them a something and straighten them out, he gets bashed and ridiculed for his parenting? Half or more of the kids are listening and behaving just fine. Shifting blame to the child? Why don't we let them vote? If the child constantly lies, odds are good it's not mostly the kids fault, since they don't know any better and won't unless proper teachings or consequences are put before them. Many kids will throw a tantrum when this happens but backing down and being 'mr nice guy' will only get you lied to more and walked all over. I wonder why Trump doesn't back down?

I just simply said I didn't use a phrase like deplorables, to back up my point about not blaming 'everyone' so you seemed to somehow think. You then took that an turned it into me painting the entire left with that. Didn't I recently mention something about the left and spin?

He didnt "Fail" at making a deal. He walked away from a potentially bad deal, one that the Democrats have been going with for decades. Unless Kim gives up his Nukes we will not move forward. We will not give them money or lift sanctions until the Nukes are gone. Kim thought he was dealing with Obama and would get billions in gold like Iran and promise to be good. 



EricHiggin on 05 March 2019
Superman4 said:
EricHiggin said:

Well thanks for participating. Practice makes perfect.

Blame everyone else in my initial post? Where I said he could have offered billions to sweeten the deal but the left would have scolded him for that? How is that blaming the left for his failure to strike a deal? Him being scolded wouldn't prevent a worthy deal from happening if it could have. Trump doesn't care about the left so I'm told.

So if the people, not part of Gov, and not that well versed in politics, are acting like children due to poor MSM parenting, why when 'dad', the Prez, tries to teach them a something and straighten them out, he gets bashed and ridiculed for his parenting? Half or more of the kids are listening and behaving just fine. Shifting blame to the child? Why don't we let them vote? If the child constantly lies, odds are good it's not mostly the kids fault, since they don't know any better and won't unless proper teachings or consequences are put before them. Many kids will throw a tantrum when this happens but backing down and being 'mr nice guy' will only get you lied to more and walked all over. I wonder why Trump doesn't back down?

I just simply said I didn't use a phrase like deplorables, to back up my point about not blaming 'everyone' so you seemed to somehow think. You then took that an turned it into me painting the entire left with that. Didn't I recently mention something about the left and spin?

He didnt "Fail" at making a deal. He walked away from a potentially bad deal, one that the Democrats have been going with for decades. Unless Kim gives up his Nukes we will not move forward. We will not give them money or lift sanctions until the Nukes are gone. Kim thought he was dealing with Obama and would get billions in gold like Iran and promise to be good. 

Depends how you look at it but I can't deny he did technically fail to make a deal. That doesn't mean his choice to walk away was the wrong decision though, assuming the other option would have been to force a poor deal. Overall, both sides tried to make a deal and came away empty handed, so nobody won or lost really, as long as the relationship remains friendly and open to further negotiations, which it looks to be.

Rome wasn't built in a day.



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PortisheadBiscuit on 05 March 2019
SpokenTruth said:

But I do find it ironic that you want to all him a liar on everything but would believe him if he said their was no collusion.

This!!! People are so transparent 



SuaveSocialist on 05 March 2019
Superman4 said:

He didnt "Fail" at making a deal. He walked away from a potentially bad deal, one that the Democrats have been going with for decades. 

Beloved Leader disagrees with you.  Not only did he fail, he botched the deal of his own making. 

“There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.” (Tweet, June 13)

“I have solved that problem. Now, we’re getting it memorialized and all, but that problem is largely solved, and part of the reason is we signed, number one, a very good document.” (Remarks to reporters, June 15)

“And the big thing is, it will be a total denuclearization, which is already starting taking place.” (Cabinet meeting, June 21)

So in less than a year, North Korea went from posing no nuclear threat, the problem solved, the deal signed, and total denuclearization underway, but Beloved Leader pressed the Reset Button and allowed, a bad Democrat deal from decades ago to replace his 'very good document'.

More fake leadership from Beloved Leader.  What are the odds?



Machiavellian on 06 March 2019
EricHiggin said:
Superman4 said:

He didnt "Fail" at making a deal. He walked away from a potentially bad deal, one that the Democrats have been going with for decades. Unless Kim gives up his Nukes we will not move forward. We will not give them money or lift sanctions until the Nukes are gone. Kim thought he was dealing with Obama and would get billions in gold like Iran and promise to be good. 

Depends how you look at it but I can't deny he did technically fail to make a deal. That doesn't mean his choice to walk away was the wrong decision though, assuming the other option would have been to force a poor deal. Overall, both sides tried to make a deal and came away empty handed, so nobody won or lost really, as long as the relationship remains friendly and open to further negotiations, which it looks to be.

Rome wasn't built in a day.

 

SuaveSocialist  answered this one already.  As mentioned many times before, Trump continues to lie and you and superman seem to just dismiss those lies or just choose to forget them.  So while he is telling the American public that he has completed something in reality he hasn't done squat.  Its the same dumb crap with the Wall, he continue to state the wall is being built but anyone who has an ounce of intelligence knows its a total lie.  This conman will continue to ride his base and you all the way to the bank, thinking to himself how stupid these people must be as I continue to play them like fools.

 



Immersiveunreality on 06 March 2019
SuaveSocialist said:
Superman4 said:

He didnt "Fail" at making a deal. He walked away from a potentially bad deal, one that the Democrats have been going with for decades. 

Beloved Leader disagrees with you.  Not only did he fail, he botched the deal of his own making. 

“There is no longer a Nuclear Threat from North Korea.” (Tweet, June 13)

“I have solved that problem. Now, we’re getting it memorialized and all, but that problem is largely solved, and part of the reason is we signed, number one, a very good document.” (Remarks to reporters, June 15)

“And the big thing is, it will be a total denuclearization, which is already starting taking place.” (Cabinet meeting, June 21)

So in less than a year, North Korea went from posing no nuclear threat, the problem solved, the deal signed, and total denuclearization underway, but Beloved Leader pressed the Reset Button and allowed, a bad Democrat deal from decades ago to replace his 'very good document'.

More fake leadership from Beloved Leader.  What are the odds?

Im kinda curious about context of that document if it existed.



Machiavellian on 06 March 2019
EricHiggin said:

Blame everyone else in my initial post? Where I said he could have offered billions to sweeten the deal but the left would have scolded him for that? How is that blaming the left for his failure to strike a deal? Him being scolded wouldn't prevent a worthy deal from happening if it could have. Trump doesn't care about the left so I'm told.

So if the people, not part of Gov, and not that well versed in politics, are acting like children due to poor MSM parenting, why when 'dad', the Prez, tries to teach them a something and straighten them out, he gets bashed and ridiculed for his parenting? Half or more of the kids are listening and behaving just fine. Shifting blame to the child? Why don't we let them vote? If the child constantly lies, odds are good it's not mostly the kids fault, since they don't know any better and won't unless proper teachings or consequences are put before them. Many kids will throw a tantrum when this happens but backing down and being 'mr nice guy' will only get you lied to more and walked all over. I wonder why Trump doesn't back down?

I just simply said I didn't use a phrase like deplorables, to back up my point about not blaming 'everyone' so you seemed to somehow think. You then took that an turned it into me painting the entire left with that. Didn't I recently mention something about the left and spin?

You continue to speak on parenting as if you know what you are talking about.  There is no shifting blame to a child because a child's actions is their own.  A child chooses to follow advice and teachings or not follow.  You are under a very foolish impression that a child does not understand their choices or their actions.  The fact a child lies is definitely evidence the child understands because there would not be any reason to lie if you are not afraid of the consequences.  

As to why Trump never back down from his lies, why would he.  He has you to defend them which is every conman prize.  Why would he ever admit he has lied, embellish the truth or deceived anyone.  A conman would never admit those things and since people like you seem to be more than happy to defend him he doesn't need to.  Hell the bolded part should be something you ask yourself because no one else isn't being "Mr Nice Guy" to Trump.

Who cares what phrase you use or not use.  At the end of the day, you have built a box and looking to drop anyone in there that meets your opinion.  This is why everything is left and right to you.  As long as you can put people into your box you feel comfortable instead of looking at each individual as their own person.