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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577

Just ignore the confederate flag flying fucks. They are flying a loser flag which side lost over 100 years ago. Get the fuck over you fucking traitors. I grew up in Ohio and currently in Austin. You still see these redneck stupid fucks flying loser flag on the back of their trucks.



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Victorlink87 said:
Jumpin said:

And it’s not polling. Trump re-opened government about 3 hours after the labour unions gave him an ultimatum. Basically it was reopen or they were going to smack him with strikes. They won’t hesitate for over a month the next time Trump takes a tantrum.

Also, trying the exact same thing and expecting a different result is, you know...

Trump’s “Art of the deal” has the grace and beauty of a retarded kindergartener doing finger painting. On paper, nothing happens except one big mess of shit. In reality, the shit is getting all over everyone’s stuff.

Yeah, extremely impossible (redundant I know) to negotiate with someone who says "under no circumstances and no concessions will you ever get funding for a wall".

Not that he needs it. In all honesty borders fall under the executive branch and he could simply use as much of the military budget as he would like. Trump is either totally unaware of this or decided to get some attention. I will go with both.

If he could use the military budget to fund the wall he would have used it already.  Any funding is the power of Congress.  His only option to appropriate money directed by Congress is to use a National Emergency and he would be playing directly into the Dems hand.  I can tell you that the Dems absolutely want him to pull that trigger.  No matter how it falls they will.  First it will splinter the GOP.  There are many GOP who would not favor this overreach of Executive power.  It would immediately hit the House floor where the Dems will instantly pass to end the NE.  The Senate has 15 days before they must also vote on ending the NE and it will cause all kinds of havok because the GOP will be in a bind to either support this overreach by Trump or vote against it.  Also for a vote such as this, only majority is needed not 60 votes so things get even more interesting.  There are already about 12 Republicans who have gone on record saying they oppose Trump going the NE route in the Senate.

Here is the thing.  Trump only cares about Trump, so you can believe he doesn't care about the GOP party or any long term damage it would cause the party.  His obsession about getting this wall plays directly into the Dems hand because they will put a bill on the floor that will provide quite a bit on Border security and dare Trump to strike it down.  Next they will also dare him to shutdown the government again because he did not get his wall and they will dare him to go the NE route knowing politically it will splinter the GOP and weaken them come 2020 where they have a lot of Senate seats up for grabs.



EricHiggin said:

You've said this a few times already by chance, and the fact you don't understand that, or are possibly bypassing what was said because it's the cold hard truth, which tends to be a lefty trait, says a lot.

Machiavellian said:

Lol, that ship has passed.  If you believe Trump can make that same play again you really are deceiving yourself.  The Dems isn't given him a wall unless he gives up a lot.  If he tries the same shutdown play again, he will definitely see even worst results.  I guess Trump showed the Dems how weak they are and continue to play people like you.  Keep up the good fight, this is just getting started.  Now Trump will feel what Obama felt when you have opposition in Congress.

You can put your hopes that he goes for the Emergency route.  That should be even more fun as he lose more Republicans in the Senate for that move and probably more voters.  

Have we traveled ahead in time 3 weeks already? They do say time fly's... 

So Trump goes the emergency route, get's the wall, loses some political backing, and then what? Loses the 2020 election to another Rep Prez? Poor Trump. Going back to that billion dollar business after giving his voters what they asked for in just 4 years time, is going to be such a terrible thing to live with. The poor guy. Somehow, I doubt it.

So what Truth am I missing about 800K not getting paid because I still did not understand what you stated.  Are you saying because they government did not totally stop they are not needed.  Even though people had to be made to come back to work for free that were furlonged.  Do you even know what you are talking about or is the point you are making is that ignorance is bliss.  

As to Trump going the NE route, I hope he does.  If getting that wall is what his voters want then I hope the cost is exactly what they asked for.  I hope that wall is glorious and they put Trump name right on it in big gold letters.  If this is what you feel is victory than its a victory I hope you get.  Job well done Trump, you can retire knowing you did a job well done.



Immersiveunreality said:
Cobretti2 said:

 

 

Lol when you have seen army vehices and tanks and soldiers roll down the main street of your town this looks like a get together lol.

White skincolour frightens them more than violence does.

All that focus on racism and they are afraid of white men peacefully protesting,meanwhile antifa behaves like a bunch of criminals in most of the places they appear but hey those arent all white so its fine:p

Antifa sucks but I would gladly take antifa walking down my street over a bunch of tiki torch carrying neo Nazis. Basically anyone that's not white has a legitimate reason to be more afraid of a crowd of angry white racists 



Machiavellian said:
Victorlink87 said:

Yeah, extremely impossible (redundant I know) to negotiate with someone who says "under no circumstances and no concessions will you ever get funding for a wall".

Not that he needs it. In all honesty borders fall under the executive branch and he could simply use as much of the military budget as he would like. Trump is either totally unaware of this or decided to get some attention. I will go with both.

If he could use the military budget to fund the wall he would have used it already.  Any funding is the power of Congress.  His only option to appropriate money directed by Congress is to use a National Emergency and he would be playing directly into the Dems hand.  I can tell you that the Dems absolutely want him to pull that trigger.  No matter how it falls they will.  First it will splinter the GOP.  There are many GOP who would not favor this overreach of Executive power.  It would immediately hit the House floor where the Dems will instantly pass to end the NE.  The Senate has 15 days before they must also vote on ending the NE and it will cause all kinds of havok because the GOP will be in a bind to either support this overreach by Trump or vote against it.  Also for a vote such as this, only majority is needed not 60 votes so things get even more interesting.  There are already about 12 Republicans who have gone on record saying they oppose Trump going the NE route in the Senate.

Here is the thing.  Trump only cares about Trump, so you can believe he doesn't care about the GOP party or any long term damage it would cause the party.  His obsession about getting this wall plays directly into the Dems hand because they will put a bill on the floor that will provide quite a bit on Border security and dare Trump to strike it down.  Next they will also dare him to shutdown the government again because he did not get his wall and they will dare him to go the NE route knowing politically it will splinter the GOP and weaken them come 2020 where they have a lot of Senate seats up for grabse c

He can use the military and defense budget. I invite you to review the National Emergencies Act.

It would splinter the GOP. I no long believe Trump to be this evil, nazi, egomaniac that the Left makes him out to be. An arrogant person and loone ..yes.

In all honesty a Democratic super majority is the last thing this country needs followed closely by a Republican Super Majority. So, I hope he drops it. All sides of this have been corrupt.

Pelosi and Schumer have showcased their hypocritical nature and elitism. GOP is spineless. Trump is a stubborn ass hole.

Seriously, I have yet to see a quality presidential candidate in years.



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Victorlink87 said:
Machiavellian said:

If he could use the military budget to fund the wall he would have used it already.  Any funding is the power of Congress.  His only option to appropriate money directed by Congress is to use a National Emergency and he would be playing directly into the Dems hand.  I can tell you that the Dems absolutely want him to pull that trigger.  No matter how it falls they will.  First it will splinter the GOP.  There are many GOP who would not favor this overreach of Executive power.  It would immediately hit the House floor where the Dems will instantly pass to end the NE.  The Senate has 15 days before they must also vote on ending the NE and it will cause all kinds of havok because the GOP will be in a bind to either support this overreach by Trump or vote against it.  Also for a vote such as this, only majority is needed not 60 votes so things get even more interesting.  There are already about 12 Republicans who have gone on record saying they oppose Trump going the NE route in the Senate.

Here is the thing.  Trump only cares about Trump, so you can believe he doesn't care about the GOP party or any long term damage it would cause the party.  His obsession about getting this wall plays directly into the Dems hand because they will put a bill on the floor that will provide quite a bit on Border security and dare Trump to strike it down.  Next they will also dare him to shutdown the government again because he did not get his wall and they will dare him to go the NE route knowing politically it will splinter the GOP and weaken them come 2020 where they have a lot of Senate seats up for grabse c

He can use the military and defense budget. I invite you to review the National Emergencies Act.

It would splinter the GOP. I no long believe Trump to be this evil, nazi, egomaniac that the Left makes him out to be. An arrogant person and loone ..yes.

In all honesty a Democratic super majority is the last thing this country needs followed closely by a Republican Super Majority. So, I hope he drops it. All sides of this have been corrupt.

Pelosi and Schumer have showcased their hypocritical nature and elitism. GOP is spineless. Trump is a stubborn ass hole.

Seriously, I have yet to see a quality presidential candidate in years.

Not sure if you understand what I stated.  I stated the only way he can move funds allocated by Congress is by using the NEA.  What part of my post stated differently.  The problem is that there is no minimum time frame that the house has to wait to end a NAE.  They can immediately vote to end the NAE as soon as he declare it.  The Senate has 15 days to vote on ending the NAE and 60 votes votes is not required only majority.

Who cares if Trump is some evil nazi or whatever.  I just believe he is an idiot thats it.  He is an opportunist who cares only for himself.  He has lived a life of a con man and nothing has changed.  6 bankruptcies states he probably isn't someone I want running a business let alone the government.  From the countless failed business, his gut is something I definitely do not want making decisions that effect my life.

I do not want Dems or Republicans having total majority but I do like things moving and not getting stalled like they were under Obama.  I happen to have liked the 2 years given to the Dems when Obama first entered office and the 2 years with Trump and the GOP.  You really cannot get a good understanding for each party unless they can actually pass some bills.  In both instances we get to see how each party works and get or not get things done.

My assessment of the situation between Pelosi and Schumer is that they are playing the long game and Trump gave it to them with his obsession with the wall.  He put himself into a corner where and allowed the Dems to have s strong front against him forcing him into options that on the surface appear tempting but long term will cause havok for the GOP in the near term and future.



Machiavellian said:
Victorlink87 said:

He can use the military and defense budget. I invite you to review the National Emergencies Act.

It would splinter the GOP. I no long believe Trump to be this evil, nazi, egomaniac that the Left makes him out to be. An arrogant person and loone ..yes.

In all honesty a Democratic super majority is the last thing this country needs followed closely by a Republican Super Majority. So, I hope he drops it. All sides of this have been corrupt.

Pelosi and Schumer have showcased their hypocritical nature and elitism. GOP is spineless. Trump is a stubborn ass hole.

Seriously, I have yet to see a quality presidential candidate in years.

Not sure if you understand what I stated.  I stated the only way he can move funds allocated by Congress is by using the NEA.  What part of my post stated differently.  The problem is that there is no minimum time frame that the house has to wait to end a NAE.  They can immediately vote to end the NAE as soon as he declare it.  The Senate has 15 days to vote on ending the NAE and 60 votes votes is not required only majority.

Who cares if Trump is some evil nazi or whatever.  I just believe he is an idiot thats it.  He is an opportunist who cares only for himself.  He has lived a life of a con man and nothing has changed.  6 bankruptcies states he probably isn't someone I want running a business let alone the government.  From the countless failed business, his gut is something I definitely do not want making decisions that effect my life.

I do not want Dems or Republicans having total majority but I do like things moving and not getting stalled like they were under Obama.  I happen to have liked the 2 years given to the Dems when Obama first entered office and the 2 years with Trump and the GOP.  You really cannot get a good understanding for each party unless they can actually pass some bills.  In both instances we get to see how each party works and get or not get things done.

My assessment of the situation between Pelosi and Schumer is that they are playing the long game and Trump gave it to them with his obsession with the wall.  He put himself into a corner where and allowed the Dems to have s strong front against him forcing him into options that on the surface appear tempting but long term will cause havok for the GOP in the near term and futurew

It wasn't meant as a rebuttle, but I definitely phrased it in a way that can be read as such. Apologies. I Know the GOP would help block him as 70% of Americans do not want a wall. The Judicial Branch could even slow him. At this point he is standing on something that less than 30% want right now.

They are playing the long game. Trump, unless he builds a wall, could lose if the right Republican challenged him in the primary. Which is why I think he is in a mode of panic. He isn't an idiot, idiots dont manipulate the system like he has.

I see your point about the majorities. After seeing both I wish that we could just take the best of each party and abandon their worst and most over reaching policies. 

Sorry for beingso aggressive politics frustrates me because neither party follows the Constitution very well. Well, we haven't in 60+ years.

I will be honest the list of extreme left policies from Democrats being championed and some passed are quite concerning to me. I really do not want them to have a super majority until they are humbled a little bit. Trump has emboldened them because its all but certain he will ruin the GOP's credibility.

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the-pi-guy said:
Immersiveunreality said:

It just looks like a lot of anti-fa is are  extremists that have the freedom to do more violent acts because they are not deemed as racists, and not everyone of them is a bad human being so no do not assume that i think this way.

So yeah you made a bad comparison there.

You basically said "it looks like" followed by your opinion that it's a bad comparison.  That's all you said.  Doesn't hold up.

Biased left wingers are going to underplay how violent antifa is, biased right wingers are going to overplay how violent Antifa is.

I'm not saying that every peson at the rally was a bad person.

But when people are comfortable standing next to someone holding a flag with a swastika on it, I have to at least wonder what kind of people they are.  

It doesn't matter, if they are currently acting peacefully.  Waving a flag that basically solely stood for the extermination of an entire group of people and white supremacy, it's at minimum not a good look.

Immersiveunreality said:

Bolded: i hope so,there just seems to be so much focus on being white and being privileged and being ashamed of that, not saying that is how people actual feel but it is kinda portrayed that way by the media hence why i use the word focus/seems.

No one is saying be ashamed to be white.  No one is saying to be guilty.

Talking about privilege should be something that people should be able to talk about, without getting offended because there's nothing to get offended about. 

Bolded 1: I am neither of those (actually i should be in the position to underplay anti-fa's activities)but it would be better to put focus on deeds of violence instead of pictures of what could be thoughts of violence, it just looks a bit misrepresented this way when there are so much instances of actual violence that same day and still when the protests are discussed always these same rather peacefull images apear and because of what, a symbol and wrong thoughts?

I understand how you feel about that swastika, but it is just a symbol that does not hurt anyone like other instances that same day actually did.

Bolded 2:  Sure people can talk about it as plenty as they want as long as it does not put people in certain groups fighting or hating against others, then i am fine with it.



Immersiveunreality said:
the-pi-guy said:

You basically said "it looks like" followed by your opinion that it's a bad comparison.  That's all you said.  Doesn't hold up.

Biased left wingers are going to underplay how violent antifa is, biased right wingers are going to overplay how violent Antifa is.

I'm not saying that every peson at the rally was a bad person.

But when people are comfortable standing next to someone holding a flag with a swastika on it, I have to at least wonder what kind of people they are.  

It doesn't matter, if they are currently acting peacefully.  Waving a flag that basically solely stood for the extermination of an entire group of people and white supremacy, it's at minimum not a good look.

No one is saying be ashamed to be white.  No one is saying to be guilty.

Talking about privilege should be something that people should be able to talk about, without getting offended because there's nothing to get offended about. 

Bolded 1: I am neither of those (actually i should be in the position to underplay anti-fa's activities)but it would be better to put focus on deeds of violence instead of pictures of what could be thoughts of violence, it just looks a bit misrepresented this way when there are so much instances of actual violence that same day and still when the protests are discussed always these same rather peacefull images apear and because of what, a symbol and wrong thoughts?

I understand how you feel about that swastika, but it is just a symbol that does not hurt anyone like other instances that same day actually did.

Bolded 2:  Sure people can talk about it as plenty as they want as long as it does not put people in certain groups fighting or hating against others, then i am fine with it.

Acts of non violence are not always inherently better than acts of violence. A "peaceful" white supremacist rally may not directly create violence but they are advocating for a system or society that would legalize violence or oppression with the threat of violence. A symbol does not hurt anyone but that doesn't change the fact that people have been hurt by the forces that symbol represents. 



collint0101 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Bolded 1: I am neither of those (actually i should be in the position to underplay anti-fa's activities)but it would be better to put focus on deeds of violence instead of pictures of what could be thoughts of violence, it just looks a bit misrepresented this way when there are so much instances of actual violence that same day and still when the protests are discussed always these same rather peacefull images apear and because of what, a symbol and wrong thoughts?

I understand how you feel about that swastika, but it is just a symbol that does not hurt anyone like other instances that same day actually did.

Bolded 2:  Sure people can talk about it as plenty as they want as long as it does not put people in certain groups fighting or hating against others, then i am fine with it.

Acts of non violence are not always inherently better than acts of violence. A "peaceful" white supremacist rally may not directly create violence but they are advocating for a system or society that would legalize violence or oppression with the threat of violence. A symbol does not hurt anyone but that doesn't change the fact that people have been hurt by the forces that symbol represents. 

For me as long as a group is not submitting to violence there is a possibility for discussion to be had and the hope some change minds or start having conflicting feelings about what drives them, if those same people keep secret meetings we wont be able to know their motivations or have a chance at discussion so it is inherently not such a bad thing they are at some protests in a passive way.

People behind that symbol has caused some of my forefathers to go to camps but these days it is stripped of its power and marginalized,at most it does offend yes.