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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
Immersiveunreality on 01 February 2019

 

CaptainExplosion said:
Now it's increasingly likely that the US will pull out of the nuclear arms deal that ended the Cold War.

Once again, thanks for nothing, America. You've practically killed us all.

Do you not ever feel tired of panicking over all of this?

Maybe you could take a small break from politics, it can do you good and help you relax a bit more ;)



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Victorlink87 on 01 February 2019
CaptainExplosion said:
Immersiveunreality said:

 

Do you not ever feel tired of panicking over all of this?

Maybe you could take a small break from politics, it can do you good and help you relax a bit more ;)

It's hard to relax knowing that a Nazi cheeto and a homophobic chrome dome just broke the deal that prevented them from starting World War III in the past, meaning now they're gonna fuck us all over.

And you people wonder why I advocated for the assassinations of certain world leaders.

You really should calm down a bit bro. The world is not burning down. I am glad the US pulled out of the deal because we were the only party truly up holding our end. The Nazi/white supremacist accusation against Trump is identical to the Muslim extremist claim against Obama. Thus far unsubstantiated and almost the opposite of the facts given. (The Charlottesville quotes were accurate. Both sides had people that were extreme, militant and racist. Both sides also had people there for protecting what they saw as history and others protecting their community from racism. Neither side was 100% to blame, they shared it as some on both sides came ready and willing to start a fight.)

Welcome to American politics where the opposite side will call you the worst of things regardless of all the details. Cherry picking if you will.

Putin is a homophobe though. That is pretty clear and very Stalin Marxist of him.



Immersiveunreality on 01 February 2019
SpokenTruth said:
Victorlink87 said:

 Neither side was 100% to blame, they shared it as some on both sides came ready and willing to start a fight.

If a large group entered your neighborhood carrying torches and chanting racist cadences and a second group showed up to stop them....are you seriously going to say group 2 is just as bad as group 1?

 

This doesn't scare the hell out of you?

Actually these pictures show a very tame protest compared to the ones you see in Europe,i do not know about the reality of these pics but they seem rather nice;)

I was in a protest one time and the crowd was full of people with big hammers, crowbars,bats,fireworks to burn out cars and trow into peoples houses,it was sickening because every shop or supermarket they walked by got looted and they even emptied cashregisters,burned cars,pulled police from motercycles to beat down.

And that is just a normal protest in Europe,like a warzone:p



Victorlink87 on 01 February 2019
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Or the Dems can deal and give into the wall and say, look, we told you so, all we wanted was for the Gov to be re-opened because getting people back to work and receiving missed pay was the right thing to do. (even though they already said the wall was immoral and the wrong thing to do)

That should look good on the Dems, especially with the way in which the media will portray it, since the average lefty doesn't actually seem to be all that much against the wall itself or it's small price, but for Trump and the right, they really couldn't care less, because they'll have their wall, and it'll be seen as a win to them.

Psst.  A little secret.  The republicans also offered deals which Trump said no.  So why is this only a Democrat thing to you? 

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The Left's hatred of the great President Donald J. Trump. Trump's strength is what most nations need as a great political leader. Donald J. Trump is the greatest American President of all time, we want America to fund Trump's border wall, so many people wish they  were American so they could vote for President Trump. It is weak leadership that leads to deterioration in its economy, strong leadership strengthens the economy. Building strong borders helps to strengthen economy and promotes nationalism and pride in one's country. 

You literally live about as far away from the US as you possibly can yet you post like you live on the Arizona border with your livelihood resting on the strength of the US economy.

Victorlink87 said:

Yeah, extremely impossible (redundant I know) to negotiate with someone who says "under no circumstances and no concessions will you ever get funding for a wall".

Not that he needs it. In all honesty borders fall under the executive branch and he could simply use as much of the military budget as he would like. Trump is either totally unaware of this or decided to get some attention. I will go with both.

Executive branch, eh?  You mean like the Secure Fence Act of 2006?  Or its 2007 amendment?  Oh, wait, that was the legislative branch that enacted those.

If border walls or fences or direct security fell solely under the auspices of the executive branch, how could congress pass legislation on it?  How would it be able to deny funding for the current proposition?  Why didn't Trump erect his wall when he had control of all 3 branches of the government?   Why is he now blaming Democrats for lack of funding when his own party, even now, won't fund it?

I'll answer that last one for you.  He couldn't get his own party to fund it (to say nothing of it being more than just the executive branch's purview) so he's using the recent House party switch of power from Rs to Ds to fabricate a narrative of evil Democrats not wanting border security now that they control the House as a thinly veiled attempt to pass blame off of him and the Republicans for failing to get it done.  It's a childish blame game that most people see through. 

“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.” Democrats and Republicans make 5 offers (mutually agreeing on most of them) but Trump says not to all 5 and Mitch McConnell refuses to do his job and send the bills back to Congress for a veto override.  This was a Trump and McConnell shutdown.  Anyone else saying otherwise is either misinformed (understandable if Fox is your primary news source) or their cognitive dissonance is stronger than their facility for rational thought.

Borders fall under both. It is best to go through the legislative branch as it insures that all sides are on board. However, the military has been used mulitple times to secure the border, both with legislative support and without, including the building of a border. Trump recently did it and the Mexican-American war is another instance. The Department of Homeland Security, a cabinet of the Executive Branch, is also given permission to secure the borders should there be a credible threat.

All things inconsiderstion all he needs to do is declare and prove it do be a credible threat and begin the process. The Judicial Branch can delay  or even block him, but would have to hear the evidence first.

He wanted a wall, no deal included it. The Republicans, Trump and Democrats shoulder equal blame in reality. Trump has just chosen to absorb it for them.

I am not a fan of Trump, Democrats or Republicans. I do often just want to know the facts and it is amazing how often each side's position isn't fact driven.

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Victorlink87 on 01 February 2019
SpokenTruth said:
Victorlink87 said:

 Neither side was 100% to blame, they shared it as some on both sides came ready and willing to start a fight.

If a large group entered your neighborhood carrying torches and chanting racist cadences and a second group showed up to stop them....are you seriously going to say group 2 is just as bad as group 1?

 

This doesn't scare the hell out of you?

In the moments? No. Later finding out that one of the groups was Anti-fa and came armed ready to fight? Yes. But not of my group as a whole. 

The students and BLM people gave an amazing response. Forceful yet peaceful. Thats what beat the white supremacist movement before.

All that being said, after reading several articles and lots of quotes and pictures I have noticed that nearly 100% if not 100% of the initial group was made up of white supremacist groups (which still produced small numbers).

So, now knowing that Trump should condemn them. Which he later did, and racism on multiple occasions.



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Victorlink87 on 01 February 2019
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Or the Dems can deal and give into the wall and say, look, we told you so, all we wanted was for the Gov to be re-opened because getting people back to work and receiving missed pay was the right thing to do. (even though they already said the wall was immoral and the wrong thing to do)

That should look good on the Dems, especially with the way in which the media will portray it, since the average lefty doesn't actually seem to be all that much against the wall itself or it's small price, but for Trump and the right, they really couldn't care less, because they'll have their wall, and it'll be seen as a win to them.

Psst.  A little secret.  The republicans also offered deals which Trump said no.  So why is this only a Democrat thing to you? 

Dark_Lord_2008 said:

The Left's hatred of the great President Donald J. Trump. Trump's strength is what most nations need as a great political leader. Donald J. Trump is the greatest American President of all time, we want America to fund Trump's border wall, so many people wish they  were American so they could vote for President Trump. It is weak leadership that leads to deterioration in its economy, strong leadership strengthens the economy. Building strong borders helps to strengthen economy and promotes nationalism and pride in one's country. 

You literally live about as far away from the US as you possibly can yet you post like you live on the Arizona border with your livelihood resting on the strength of the US economy.

Victorlink87 said:

Yeah, extremely impossible (redundant I know) to negotiate with someone who says "under no circumstances and no concessions will you ever get funding for a wall".

Not that he needs it. In all honesty borders fall under the executive branch and he could simply use as much of the military budget as he would like. Trump is either totally unaware of this or decided to get some attention. I will go with both.

Executive branch, eh?  You mean like the Secure Fence Act of 2006?  Or its 2007 amendment?  Oh, wait, that was the legislative branch that enacted those.

If border walls or fences or direct security fell solely under the auspices of the executive branch, how could congress pass legislation on it?  How would it be able to deny funding for the current proposition?  Why didn't Trump erect his wall when he had control of all 3 branches of the government?   Why is he now blaming Democrats for lack of funding when his own party, even now, won't fund it?

I'll answer that last one for you.  He couldn't get his own party to fund it (to say nothing of it being more than just the executive branch's purview) so he's using the recent House party switch of power from Rs to Ds to fabricate a narrative of evil Democrats not wanting border security now that they control the House as a thinly veiled attempt to pass blame off of him and the Republicans for failing to get it done.  It's a childish blame game that most people see through. 

“I am proud to shut down the government for border security, Chuck. … I will take the mantle. I will be the one to shut it down. I’m not going to blame you for it.” Democrats and Republicans make 5 offers (mutually agreeing on most of them) but Trump says not to all 5 and Mitch McConnell refuses to do his job and send the bills back to Congress for a veto override.  This was a Trump and McConnell shutdown.  Anyone else saying otherwise is either misinformed (understandable if Fox is your primary news source) or their cognitive dissonance is stronger than their facility for rational thought

In short, Trump doesn't need their permission to build a wall, just the funds set aside for it. DHS and the military have construction budgets. Those could feasibly be used.



Victorlink87 on 01 February 2019

To clarify why I put the blame on all parties involved.

Republicans passed a bill, but cowardly declined to put it up for veto.

Democrats left town repeatedly refusing to even negotiate extending pay for the 800,000 out of work let alone spending $5.7 billion which runs less than .1% of the budget. Showed no willingness to negotiate for it.

Trump for being disingenuous. Refused to push the funding throuhh when they had the majority in both houses. Although you need 60 votes, so some democrats would have to vote for it even then. Trump again for playing politics with public employees, sex trafficking victims, drug trafficking, gangs, etc. Everyone acknowledges those things being a problem on the border. This is a political ploy, if it were genuine he would have pushed it sooner. If it is genuine, he will use emergency powers to build walls. I don't think it is genuine and he will back off at some point just so he can blame people.

Overall, this highlights a severe problem in the US Legislative and Exective Branches. The complete inability to fix things that are real problems. They cannot budget to save their lives and yet either want to lower the government's income or expand its spending. Or even worse both. Everyone has previously acknowledged the problems on the southern border and yet unable to make significant changes in 20 years.

The Federal Government is simply filled with right and left insincere nincompoops only there to expand their power. I am burned out, really would like states to be given more authority.

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EricHiggin on 02 February 2019
SpokenTruth said:
EricHiggin said:

Or the Dems can deal and give into the wall and say, look, we told you so, all we wanted was for the Gov to be re-opened because getting people back to work and receiving missed pay was the right thing to do. (even though they already said the wall was immoral and the wrong thing to do)

That should look good on the Dems, especially with the way in which the media will portray it, since the average lefty doesn't actually seem to be all that much against the wall itself or it's small price, but for Trump and the right, they really couldn't care less, because they'll have their wall, and it'll be seen as a win to them.

Psst.  A little secret.  The republicans also offered deals which Trump said no.  So why is this only a Democrat thing to you? 

I wish I could give you an answer, but it's a secret...



Biggerboat1 on 02 February 2019
Immersiveunreality said:
SpokenTruth said:

If a large group entered your neighborhood carrying torches and chanting racist cadences and a second group showed up to stop them....are you seriously going to say group 2 is just as bad as group 1?

 

This doesn't scare the hell out of you?

Actually these pictures show a very tame protest compared to the ones you see in Europe,i do not know about the reality of these pics but they seem rather nice;)

I was in a protest one time and the crowd was full of people with big hammers, crowbars,bats,fireworks to burn out cars and trow into peoples houses,it was sickening because every shop or supermarket they walked by got looted and they even emptied cashregisters,burned cars,pulled police from motercycles to beat down.

And that is just a normal protest in Europe,like a warzone:p

Hmm, I think nice is stretching it a little... 

It's like a game of Where's Waldo - where Waldo is a non-white-angry-man...



Immersiveunreality on 02 February 2019
Biggerboat1 said:
Immersiveunreality said:

Actually these pictures show a very tame protest compared to the ones you see in Europe,i do not know about the reality of these pics but they seem rather nice;)

I was in a protest one time and the crowd was full of people with big hammers, crowbars,bats,fireworks to burn out cars and trow into peoples houses,it was sickening because every shop or supermarket they walked by got looted and they even emptied cashregisters,burned cars,pulled police from motercycles to beat down.

And that is just a normal protest in Europe,like a warzone:p

Hmm, I think nice is stretching it a little... 

It's like a game of Where's Waldo - where Waldo is a non-white-angry-man...

Yeah maybe but i dont see people with their faces covered and those pics also dont show anyone doing voilent acts , it seems rather peacefull :p