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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
iron_megalith said:
xbebop said:

Really? That's what you're getting out of this? That they're both trash? The Democrats aren't angels by any means; however, in comparison to the Republicans, and especially Trump, they basically look like Jesus Christ incarnate at the moment.

The fact that no compromises can be met on both sides means both are insensitive to the shit that's happening outside of them. It just shows that they just want flex their political power. So no. Democrats are not the "better person" in this shit show.

For people to actually pick a side in this mess and blame the other side just shows they're completely drunk in this political drama. They have completely lost their minds in staying sane. People should wake up that the ones who really lose in this drama are those who pay these bastards who can't work together at all.

Trump couldn't get this done when Republicans controlled both the House and Senate, now he's just going to destroy the nation over this when the Dems take the house? This is a policy power play that Dems aren't going to back down from. There's bills that have been presented that he won't even look twice at. Trump isn't interested in whats good for the rest of the nation, only his ego, because he shouldn't punish Americans to push a thing that's been a complete non-issue up until this point. He says he owns the shutdown, the republican party is backing him up, so, yes, it's all on them.



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(Was supposed to be a reply to iron)

It falls on Trump.  They were about to pass bills to keep the partial shutdown from happening.  Trump gets called out by Rush and Coulter so he backsteps and then decides to change his mind right when Christmas break was going to happen.  He could have signed the bills keeping everything funded and then have Congress come up with a solution or you know they could have passed a wall bill when Republicans had control for 2 years.  Yet here we are.  He even said he would take the heat for shutdown and now he is lying out his ass like usual saying it is the democrats fault.  If he won't even offer to act on dreamers in exchange for a wall then what the fuck are Democrats supposed to do?  There are bills to open the government but old turtle Mitch in Senate won't bring it up for a vote.  Same damn bills they passed right before Trump flip flopped.



I see people here are indeed deluded to think that there will be a deal if he chose to sign bill to fund the government. I can bet my ass the shut down will eventually happen down the road. That's just how hilariously divided this fucking government is. I'll throw it here, Trump is definitely a shitty leader. But don't go praising Hallelujah on how the Dems are not part of the problem.



President Orange had the House and the Senate for 2 years.. Two Years.. Dos Años. He couldn't get 5.7 billion for a stupid wall back then, and he sure as hell not going to get it now.

That $5.7B could've help Flint get clean water, and help fund many more essential things around the country.



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Comedy Gold. 

Not that Trump didn't answer the question. All the people applauding in the backround seem to be total idiots, because they only heard who and not how. 

And where are we now? Shutdown! What happened to Mexico for paying for the wall? LOOOL 

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OP/Poll = Didn't + Still don't.
(I don't believe people (especially on TV) have changed there opinions just their talking points). "Agendaism" has definatly risen to the point of saturation in US politics.

Of the past few pages: I agree with iron; it is absurd to see people try to paint the democrats as harbingers of peace and stability or whatever. Donald Trump is a long time Dem affiliate (and likely still is ha ha ah!), but joined the Republicans so he could win. So the party dynamic is beyond the pale of traditional political parlay [or if you feel like I do call it DOUBLETHINK]. The overarching theme is honestly money, as it has been, and that's where you get these screwball arguments and conjecture that is honestly all about semantics; and anyone living here in the US is under the painful understanding that neither "side" is in favor of giving any money that they get FROM the people TO the people.

--Some info about government shutdowns. I feel this could be edifying. My father has worked as a federal government employee and now contractor for about 20 years now. There was some shutdown I remember lasting 3 months and they happen ALL the time. So much so that it IS part of there salary negotiation, meaning that they typically get paid more than their private sector counterpart (usually around 30k more-well I.T. anyway; I'm unsure as to other jobs) to make up for the innevitability.
So yeah, if you are a responsible person [(Typically, as always there are outliers and people who unfortunatly have bad luck)] you put a reasonable amount in savings as is DESIGNED, so that you + family are fine during the shutdowns. However, there are plenty of irresponsible people for idiotic 'journalists" to trod out in front of the news cameras nowadays so THEY can come up with BS controversy.

(Also I have been laughing at the news showing overflowing trash cans on the National Mall... News to all from here in the DC Area.. They always look like that, usually worse; it seems they actually had to clean up the place to take the pictures LOL. D.C> honestly is a shithole)

-- The Wall
Honestly, I'm not sure where to begin, but this is (not only symbolic in the way people on the thread have been saying), but symbolic also in the manner thazt the whole US Immigration debate denegrates into the {definition of the word "is"} thing (That's a Bill Clinton story, worth reading up on).
As we can already identify people are constantly (and it started with the politicians) mixing up, confusing, and/or trying to re-define various terms in order to skewer the argument into there favor.
THERE is a massive difference between someone who is undocumented and an illegal alien (with a variety of possible determining factors betwixt the too). There is also Documented non-citizen, non-citizen Alien resident, Alien citizen non-resident, Authorized to work (Green Card), Not authorized entry, Legal entry BUT with violations... so on , so on and etc. I think I have proven my point and this is how you can see where "the system" became mismanaged decades ago, especially since we still have this unbelievably mind-numbing concept that all our national policies are subject to change wildly every 4 years.
So Highlights-- The VAST majority of Assylum Seekers (not in one of the categories above) along with all other migrants to the US are generally LAW ABIDING and NON-Threatning) --- (Still! - The are MANY illegal immigrants who do come over and cause problems) --- (Our government has been in disagreence on how to handle it for decades now; which is why you see the "Fence" as it is today, never completed, partitioned and useless.. (MADE in the USA!! That's how we do it, waste as much money as possible, with as little thought put into it as possible.)

-Additionally I'm glad to see amidst the other things Trump point out that this has been a multi-billion dollar agenda of both parties for some time, with promises made to the American people never delivered upon..

Allow me to explain this a bit here, I feel that there is a lot to be explained about this situation but I'll try to keep it brief.
One of the things Trump is bringing up (in the same TOO-SHORThand fashion as usual) is the drug crime/terrorism element to border security (which he says must include the wall. or at least, as of yesterday) His usual inelegant bungling has allowed the argument to converge many things into one confusing everybody. {my opinion is he does this on purpose}. THERE IS REAL TERRORISM on the southern border which does need addressing but it is NOT ISIS, ISIL, sleeper agents or other BS - though the inteligence community may have stated to him that it IS TECHNICALLY possible for that to happen... and he took that and ran with it as far as he could which appears to happen constantly during his administration.

What people may not know about our southern border area is this (note: I have lived in Southern Texas; though the majority of my life has been D.C. Area).

The cartels operate HEAVILY in this area, mostly running drugs into the US. The MAIN -HOW they do this- is by paying,extorting, or enslaving people to (can you guess?)
CROSS OUR BORDER ILLEGALLY, so that our Enforcement Agencies can't interfere with their drug trade; And the cartels will kill US Dutymen who pose a threat to their business.
This (along with other tactics) is the Terrorism that our government actually recognizes on our border (meaning, not reflecting Donald Trump, or any other politician whose maligned the issue.'s opinion)

It doesn't get expressed by anyone (other than ALMOST by Trump recently) that many Americans have been murdered by the cartels in part of a terror campaign agains US Gang rivals. Words cannot describe what it's like when a neighborhood gets targeted and 5:45 AM 20 houses in a neighborhood get hit with AK-47s. By the time the police arrive; the cartel men are back over the border in Mexico and American MEN, WOMEN and CHILDREN lay dead in their path, guilty of only getting up for work or school.

I'll take a pause here... I AM NOT in favor of RACE baiting politics... I donn't want a permanently closed border ... but, I do think something must be done. Those families were promised "something" would be done by passed Administrations and nothing was done. That is what Trump is talking about.

Overall, I still believe that Trump is just a con-man, marketing schill. If you understand MLM schemes and the like than you can understand Trump a lt better.



CommandoII said:


--Some info about government shutdowns. I feel this could be edifying. My father has worked as a federal government employee and now contractor for about 20 years now. There was some shutdown I remember lasting 3 months and they happen ALL the time. So much so that it IS part of there salary negotiation, meaning that they typically get paid more than their private sector counterpart (usually around 30k more-well I.T. anyway; I'm unsure as to other jobs) to make up for the innevitability.
So yeah, if you are a responsible person [(Typically, as always there are outliers and people who unfortunatly have bad luck)] you put a reasonable amount in savings as is DESIGNED, so that you + family are fine during the shutdowns. However, there are plenty of irresponsible people for idiotic 'journalists" to trod out in front of the news cameras nowadays so THEY can come up with BS controversy.


This is the first I've ever heard of a shutdown lasting 3 months or that these things happen all the time. Do you have any proof of this? The list I found on wiki says that there have been ten shutdowns since 1980 with the bulk not lasting even a week so the idea that public sector employees are paid more than their private sector counterparts as a way to mitigate shutdowns seems erroneous. 



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Torillian said:
CommandoII said:


--Some info about government shutdowns. I feel this could be edifying. My father has worked as a federal government employee and now contractor for about 20 years now. There was some shutdown I remember lasting 3 months and they happen ALL the time. So much so that it IS part of there salary negotiation, meaning that they typically get paid more than their private sector counterpart (usually around 30k more-well I.T. anyway; I'm unsure as to other jobs) to make up for the innevitability.
So yeah, if you are a responsible person [(Typically, as always there are outliers and people who unfortunatly have bad luck)] you put a reasonable amount in savings as is DESIGNED, so that you + family are fine during the shutdowns. However, there are plenty of irresponsible people for idiotic 'journalists" to trod out in front of the news cameras nowadays so THEY can come up with BS controversy.


This is the first I've ever heard of a shutdown lasting 3 months or that these things happen all the time. Do you have any proof of this? The list I found on wiki says that there have been ten shutdowns since 1980 with the bulk not lasting even a week so the idea that public sector employees are paid more than their private sector counterparts as a way to mitigate shutdowns seems erroneous. 

That’s because it isn’t true.  This is the longest shutdown there has ever been.  Also, they don’t pay federal employees more, they get back pay.  Maybe being a federal contractor is different since you wouldn’t technically be employed by the federal government but pretty much everything he said is plain wrong.... so he did a great job “edifying”...



CommandoII said:

--Some info about government shutdowns. I feel this could be edifying. My father has worked as a federal government employee and now contractor for about 20 years now. There was some shutdown I remember lasting 3 months and they happen ALL the time. So much so that it IS part of there salary negotiation, meaning that they typically get paid more than their private sector counterpart (usually around 30k more-well I.T. anyway; I'm unsure as to other jobs) to make up for the innevitability.
So yeah, if you are a responsible person [(Typically, as always there are outliers and people who unfortunatly have bad luck)] you put a reasonable amount in savings as is DESIGNED, so that you + family are fine during the shutdowns. However, there are plenty of irresponsible people for idiotic 'journalists" to trod out in front of the news cameras nowadays so THEY can come up with BS controversy.

No, that's wrong. This is currently the longest shutdown recorded in the history of the US. 

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2019/jan/12/donald-trump-government-shutdown-border-wall-democrats

https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2019/01/federal-shutdown-longest-history-190112051750627.html

http://time.com/5499397/shutdown-longest-history/



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