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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577
MrWayne said:
jason1637 said:

Yeah but tech and a fence are things Democrats have wanted. In he also ask them what they want in the meeting and they didn't bring anything.

But are these the only things they want in exchange for the wall? I haven't seen a confirmation on that and as I said I highly doubt that those are the only things they demand.

There are probably more things but they are refusing to add deals to the table and just him to open the government. 



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jason1637 said:
MrWayne said:

But are these the only things they want in exchange for the wall? I haven't seen a confirmation on that and as I said I highly doubt that those are the only things they demand.

There are probably more things but they are refusing to add deals to the table and just him to open the government. 

I heard Dems and Reps already made a deal but trump didn't agree to it. I personally guess it's about the money, Trump want the full money but the Dems want a compromise on the money too.
They should just end the government shutdown and deal with the wall at a late date. The people need their money to buy food and pay their rent, that's more important.



MrWayne said:
jason1637 said:

There are probably more things but they are refusing to add deals to the table and just him to open the government. 

I heard Dems and Reps already made a deal but trump didn't agree to it. I personally guess it's about the money, Trump want the full money but the Dems want a compromise on the money too.
They should just end the government shutdown and deal with the wall at a late date. The people need their money to buy food and pay their rent, that's more important.

I agree that this should end so people can get back to work but Trump knows that this will be his only leverage to getting his wall so I can see why he is so resistent.

And yeah the first psending bill was passed by the house and senate but it did not give border funding so trump used his veto.



Trump is a mother fucking business genius, who's very generous. He ran a casino and it literally shut down cause he was giving away too much money. If that isnt a generous person I dont know what is. He's giving people money and pouring money into the country through something he secretly slipped in at the end of a long arduous document where he admits america has a 2 trillion dollar fund saved up, and hes giving it away for free to loyal patriots. Theres no requirements except being a patriot, and you can receive thousands of dollars for nothing. If you dont believe me look it up.

America is no longer a country, its a corporation. We needed a president like Trump to redefine what it means to be a president. He is stern, can be an idiot, has no shame about his promiscuous lifestyle before becoming president, and who cares if he is paying chicks hush money to not talk about the wild sex he has obviously had. He admits when hes wrong when necessary, Or doubles down on his bluff, getting back to the casino point. He a gambling man who is making america great again through business tactics and coercion, and taking major gambles with his words. I dont care if hes a bit crude and does locker room talk, he gets shit done. Also If you've never been in the locker room and heard men talk shit about fucking females, then I feel bad for ya. Truly. Men do talk like that in private even if they actually do things in a respectful manner in real life, its a chauvinistic pride thing.

Trump played up being an idiot to get the idiot vote, and he said nothing about the white priders pretty much to get their vote. You can be proud of being any race but white it seems. By white I dont mean mixed race people with white skin, I mean being Nordic. So its Nordic pride I'm talking about, if it were a white skin thing that would make me racist, but I honestly am a bit racist, we all are, whether we want to admit it or not, we want our race to succeed, unless you're a race traitor, and them fuck off. My races are nordic and neanderthal and I take pride in being pure European/Nord with the max amount of neanderthal genes that are different from homosapien genes (5% genetic variation, I'm literally a full blooded Nordic Neanderthal). I have the neanderthal 3 head and giant brain size, my bones are near unbreakable(occasional hairline fractures from martial arts training and fight club), I have no floating ribs(all my ribs are literally connected to my spine, which makes for very painful back problems if I dont fucking stand up straight like the proud nordic man I am) I can move very slowly and thoughtfully, but like the other neanderthal race that exists, the mongrols like the chinese and mongolians, I can be fast as lightning. My lungs stretch down to my bellybutton, I can hold my breath for over 5 minutes, and even 10 minutes if I can push past the brain death, which makes my adrenal gland produce adrenochrome, that shit that gives you superhuman abilities like the granny lifting the cars to save a child and the like, anyways enough bragging about how I'm a literal superhuman...

President Trump is a Nord too, and all Nordic descendants interbred with neanderthals and have some of their genetic makeup(1-5%). He is a self made billionare, and only started with 500 million and turned it into 4 billions, which is the equivilant of turning 5000 dollars into 4 millions dollars, and I know disinformation has come out claiming his father gave him a lot more, but that was personal money not money for building his business. Trump is pouring every fiber of his being into being the best president we've ever had and making america great again. I respect the fuck out of his style, his boldness, and I would gladly not be a nonparticipant and vote for him for his second term.

Lastly, some people call him a draft dodger because of painful bone spurs. This is nonsense? Wanna see his xrays? That shit hurts. I know because I have bone spurs too. Its not something you would want a soldier having to deal with, it would distract from the battlefield if they did this. Bone spurs are a neanderthal trait and you literally have to massage them away over a great length of time or go through the pain of having them surgically removed. Trump is the greatest businessman in the world, and while he has connection to the Rothschilds, he literally isnt one of them. He doesnt do all the bullshit hand symbols they all do, though he knows them from his obvious skills at nuerolinguistic programming. Hes going against the control scheme and trying to make us americans own our own country again, just like Hitler did with Germany before things went terribly terribly wrong and WW2 broke out. Honestly I wouldnt be surprised if WW3 breaks out over what hes doing and he serves a wartime third term like a few presidents have done in the past. Id gladly fight for my country, bone spurs or not.



As Beloved Leader’s Shutdown stands poised to become the longest one ever, I am reminded of his empty promise that the Wall would be built in his first 100 days and that Mexico would pay for it directly and entirely.

But despite controlling the House, Senate and Oval Office for two years, the self-proclaimed “dealmaker” couldn’t be assed to roll out of bed and get anything done. Unsurprisingly, with his work “ethic” of taking as many vacations as possible and sleeping through meetings, he is so unaccomplished that that he single-handedly debunked the notion of “the government that governs least governs Best”. Turns out it just governs least, and in his case, badly at that.

Three shutdowns on his watch, no wall, and now he’s throwing a tantrum because no one will allow West Koreans to put a down payment on his useless vanity project that should have been completed by now. This is not due to his opponents, but his failure to lead when his Party had the votes and influence to get it done. That time has passed.

Where’s your crown, King Nothing?



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jason1637 said:
MrWayne said:

I heard Dems and Reps already made a deal but trump didn't agree to it. I personally guess it's about the money, Trump want the full money but the Dems want a compromise on the money too.
They should just end the government shutdown and deal with the wall at a late date. The people need their money to buy food and pay their rent, that's more important.

I agree that this should end so people can get back to work but Trump knows that this will be his only leverage to getting his wall so I can see why he is so resistent.

And yeah the first psending bill was passed by the house and senate but it did not give border funding so trump used his veto.

Lets be honest, 2 years in office with both the house and Senate under GOP control and where was his wall demand.  Nothing came from the House and nothing was done on the Senate and Trump never tried to implement any wall funding or really any Immigration security measure during that time.  The only time the wall was even a question was when the Dems was willing to vote for it for DACA amnesty.  All this time he had the advantage to get something done and you expect us to believe its suddenly a crisis to shutdown the government now.

The Dems have stated they will not deal on the wall period as part of funding the government.  That should be a totally separate thing and it should.  It should be brought up in the house and senate just like any other issue and should not be tied to getting federal government employees paid because the President decided now was the time to go this route when he had 2 years to do it when his party had total control.

We are hear today because right wing media said some bad things when Trump was going to sign the funding bill without the wall.  Its not like he even put any effort or his people on any real boarder security plan.  Just like his campaign, a bunch of empty talk with nothing behind it.



SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

There are still millions of peop;e that enter unauthorized from the southern border. rougly 45% of the 12m Mxicans in the US entered illegeally and most people that enter from the southern border are not even Mexican so the total number is way higher.

So, you still lied and you've moved the goal posts.  You said hundreds of thousands ever year.  DHS says only 70,000 illegal immigrants are entering the US annually since 2015 and that includes all means of entry (checkpoints, southern border, northern border, overstayed Visas, boats, etc...).

Your other facts are wrong too.  There are currently 10.7 million undocumented immigrants in the US.  5.4 million are of Mexican nationality while 1.9 million are from El Salvador, Guatemala or Honduras.  That's 7.3 million from the southern border. 

What makes this a crisis now?  Why not back when it really was several hundred thousand illegal entries per year?  Why not back when he had full Republican control?

1. I'm not sure where you got the 70k a year from. The last published report about illegal immigration i found was from 2015 and it had over 710k people entered the country from 2010-2015. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf

2. The correct number is 11.9m. I got that from the report i posted above. Overall more Mexicans have come here illegally but I was refering to in most recent years. There have been more non Mexican people from below the border enter than Mexican people. 

3. I never claimed that it's a crisis because it's really not. It's just a problem that can be solved with a wall. And I agree that Trump should have pushed for the wall when Republicans controlled both chambers of congress.



Came across some interesting links yesterday.

The feasibility of the border wall.

Not long ago hitting record lows and net outflow of illegal immigrants.

And an interesting old quote about the nature of 'national security'.



SpokenTruth said:
jason1637 said:

1. I'm not sure where you got the 70k a year from. The last published report about illegal immigration i found was from 2015 and it had over 710k people entered the country from 2010-2015. https://www.dhs.gov/sites/default/files/publications/18_1214_PLCY_pops-est-report.pdf

2. The correct number is 11.9m. I got that from the report i posted above. Overall more Mexicans have come here illegally but I was refering to in most recent years. There have been more non Mexican people from below the border enter than Mexican people. 

3. I never claimed that it's a crisis because it's really not. It's just a problem that can be solved with a wall. And I agree that Trump should have pushed for the wall when Republicans controlled both chambers of congress.

Your 710,000 figure is from 2010 to 2015.  This is from page 4 of your PDF.  That's not per year.

 

Let's think about it.  That huge caravan thing we had recently was just 5-7k asylum seeking immigrants.  To reach 710,000 per year, there would need to be hundreds of these per year. I'm only using it as a number reference.  Obviously the caravan is a separate issue but it gives a comparable figure and perspective to work with.

710k in 5 years is in the hundred thousands but not all of that number includes border crossings. 

A lot of people that came from the Caravan were apprehended iirc so they would be included in the table i posted a few pages back. That graph does show that tens of thousands of people per month do try to come from the southern border. The whole situation si pretty sad honestly since a lot of these people are trying to flee annd create a better life for their families but as a country we can't just let people enter without proper documentation.



jason1637 said:
SpokenTruth said:

Your 710,000 figure is from 2010 to 2015.  This is from page 4 of your PDF.  That's not per year.

 

Let's think about it.  That huge caravan thing we had recently was just 5-7k asylum seeking immigrants.  To reach 710,000 per year, there would need to be hundreds of these per year. I'm only using it as a number reference.  Obviously the caravan is a separate issue but it gives a comparable figure and perspective to work with.

710k in 5 years is in the hundred thousands but not all of that number includes border crossings. 

A lot of people that came from the Caravan were apprehended iirc so they would be included in the table i posted a few pages back. That graph does show that tens of thousands of people per month do try to come from the southern border. The whole situation si pretty sad honestly since a lot of these people are trying to flee annd create a better life for their families but as a country we can't just let people enter without proper documentation.

Yes, they do try to come to the US but you are talking about illegally crossing.  This is the part where you have to show that number represent people cross illegally over the southern boarder not just general numbers coming to the US.  Also that graph shows how much illegal immigration has fallen during the years.  The problem with the wall as shone by a few links in this thread is that if you believe 5.6 billion is going to really do anything you are kidding yourself.  As many expert on the subject has stated, such an engineering project is a huge task costing north of 50 Billion.

Ask yourself exactly where will Trump build this perfect wall.  There is no plan because its a talking point not a real project.  It's the same plan he had for healthcare where he stated he had a plan but end of having nothing.  If he had a plan he would be presenting it to show the American public how much work he and his administration has put into getting this beautiful wall in place.  How much will this cover and where, who land will get confiscated to do it.  It's a political game and he really isn't trying to negotiate because that is when we really see how incompetent his administration is when they have to actually put it into place.

I personally want him to go the Emergency route.  I want him to play that card and then show us what his administration plan is for the project.  I want to see all the GOP support him going this route because we know, once you open that Pandora box, they will have fun times when a Dem President get into the WH.  When all is said and done, the GOP will fall on this sword supporting Trump and it will be interesting to see how the party fares afterwards.