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Forums - Politics Discussion - Donald Trump: How Do You Feel about Him Now? (Poll)

 

Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577

The sentencing of Cohen for campaign finance charges of 3 years is a very real thing for the Trump camp. The reason I say this is that Cohen admitted to doing it for the Campaign, David Pecker from the National Enquirer stated he paid off the other women for Trump campaign and the judge ruled on that as a criminal offense not a campaign error.

This means since Trump is also implicated as fully knowing and approving of the payments, its not on the same level as failing to report campaign funds but actual criminal intent to deceive and defraud the government. Not sure if this is impeachable crime but then again, Clinton was impeach for lying about getting a one up in the white house so who knows.



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Trump is a successful businessman, a high public profile in the media and he is not a politician. He is right about not being a politician, it takes lots of skill and talent to negotiate the best deals in regards to the national interests, foreign trade deals and big corporate interests. Trump makes decisions on the run, high staff turnover of hiring and firing his staff if they dare challenge or speak out against him. What is the point of advisors if they can not provide Trump with advice? Trump keeps us entertained he says the most random things on social media, it is like holding your breath or being drunk and blurting out the first thing that comes out of your mouth. Trump provides comedians, media and the public plenty of laughs.



Runa216 said:
I am genuinely curious how someone like him gets into office. I don't mean from just any single stance, but all of them put together.

He claims to be a businessman first but he's never really had anything that was successful because of him and has bankrupted multiple companies even after getting 'a small million dollar loan'.

He's an absolute scumbag of a person from the comments he makes about 'shithole countries' to casually boasting about being able to get away with sexual assault due to being rich and famous.

He's horribly unqualified for the position (he's a failed businessman and terrible reality TV show host) who has been very reasonably targeted for outsider tampering and all sorts of corruption to the point he's been firing anyone who might get dirt on him. Oh, and he disrespects every foreign government except putin (have you SEEN the ignorance he shows when on stage with other world leaders?)

He demonstrably lies more often than he tells the truth. Not only that but he goes from one lie or scandal to the next without even addressing the last one. On top of that he's got massively thin skin and the maturity level of a 12-year old Twitch streamer who just got told to go to bed by his mommy.

And people voted him in knowing most or all of this. How dumb do people have to be that they vote trump in 'to own the libtard cucks'? Yes, many people hate trump but we don't hate him because he's a republican we hate him because he's woefully unfit for office and has no place in a position of power. he's actively regressing your nation, walking back progress from the last few years while actively targetting groups all while utilizing fearmongering and faulty rhetoric.

So could someone please tell me why he got voted in despite all this? I don't care how many people he convinced to vote for him, the fact of the matter is that he's unfit and there really needs to be an additional step to democracy. Impeachment is a step in the right direction but it seems Democrats are pretty incapable of enacting it; I mean, Republicans impeached Clinton over an affair despite him getting the US out of a rut and giving them their greatest surplus maybe ever! I hate turning this into a cartoon, but Trump is a supervillain, and republicans need to be stopped. There are more important things in this world than 'merry christmas and guns'. That's why I tend to vote Democrat/Liberal - that party cares about the greater good, not indulging the selfish.

"he's actively regressing your nation, walking back progress from the last few years".

To a Conservative, what you just said was, 'he's actively hitting the brakes, because you were inches from the edge of a cliff, and has now reversed a few car lengths to provide a little comfort." That is why they voted for him.

Today, what Liberals call 'progress', Conservatives call 'dangerous', and what Conservatives call 'progress', Liberals call 'dangerous'. Both sides are convinced they are correct, and neither side is completely correct, so it's no wonder why it's such a big problem. In a world where many are told their special and should put themselves first and can be anything they want to be and can change the world, your going to end up with problems because the world itself doesn't work like that. The world requires boundaries, whether they be for one's Country or for one's body. When people begin to realize it's not about trying to control the entire Country, but just your little slice of it, they will end up much better off. Smaller more divided Gov between all of the States themselves and less centralized Gov would make a big difference, like it's supposed to be.

Why do you think Europe is full of a bunch of unique tiny Countries? Why does it look like the more they try to converge, the more tension seems to be created? Enough that the UK clearly wants out, and their not the only ones. Centralization is like binge drinking. As long as it's controlled, It's not a bad idea here and there but it cannot be sustained or it eventually leads to disaster. In small doses, it's not a problem and sometimes could be said to be 'necessary', but the rest of the time having a few drinks here and there is the sustainable way. Forcing everyone else to binge drink on the regular, isn't much different than instating prohibition. Let smaller 'communities' decide for themselves. Find a community that fits you best and learn to live with the bad along with the good wherever you end up, and stop chasing perfection, because you'll never find it.

I realize it's not really an answer about Trump, but that's because Trump, nor any other politician is the answer itself that everyone is looking for. Trump just looked to be someone who could maybe take the Country in the direction where this could be achieved, and while he looks to be trying, obviously some think 'resistance is futile'.



You know when you burn someone deep, they have to respond. SNL skit of a world without Trump as President must have really burned Trump for him to tweet about it. The crazy part is his second tweet where he talks about Cohen flipping. It makes you wonder if this guy has any ideal that he is not helping his case. I know his lawyers must be shaking their heads wondering if Trump will every just shut up.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/16/18143187/snl-cold-open-trump-isnt-president-its-a-wonderful-life

All this makes me wonder after reading EricHiggins post if he still feel the same way towards Trump. It seems people love to cover themselves in this liberal, conservative cloak but Trump is neither.



Machiavellian said:
You know when you burn someone deep, they have to respond. SNL skit of a world without Trump as President must have really burned Trump for him to tweet about it. The crazy part is his second tweet where he talks about Cohen flipping. It makes you wonder if this guy has any ideal that he is not helping his case. I know his lawyers must be shaking their heads wondering if Trump will every just shut up.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/16/18143187/snl-cold-open-trump-isnt-president-its-a-wonderful-life

All this makes me wonder after reading EricHiggins post if he still feel the same way towards Trump. It seems people love to cover themselves in this liberal, conservative cloak but Trump is neither.

Trump responded, will EH? lol. Can you teach me how to figure out how other people feel about someone else though an internet post that barely touches on that someone else? Maybe it's because I only see in black and white and don't understand the concept of shades of grey?

I used to never miss SNL, but that was years before they started focusing on Trump. Their comedy has gotten worse and worse and I can't stand to watch it anymore, no matter what the material is. The Trump sketches were actually kinda funny at first, but had gone stale. I don't bother with SNL anymore and clearly nothings changed on their part.

and yes, media like SNL is all that is necessary to change my fickle mind. You'd think most people would though considering they wouldn't hire a guy who literally talks out of his butt.



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EricHiggin said:
Machiavellian said:
You know when you burn someone deep, they have to respond. SNL skit of a world without Trump as President must have really burned Trump for him to tweet about it. The crazy part is his second tweet where he talks about Cohen flipping. It makes you wonder if this guy has any ideal that he is not helping his case. I know his lawyers must be shaking their heads wondering if Trump will every just shut up.

https://www.vox.com/2018/12/16/18143187/snl-cold-open-trump-isnt-president-its-a-wonderful-life

All this makes me wonder after reading EricHiggins post if he still feel the same way towards Trump. It seems people love to cover themselves in this liberal, conservative cloak but Trump is neither.

Trump responded, will EH? lol. Can you teach me how to figure out how other people feel about someone else though an internet post that barely touches on that someone else? Maybe it's because I only see in black and white and don't understand the concept of shades of grey?

I used to never miss SNL, but that was years before they started focusing on Trump. Their comedy has gotten worse and worse and I can't stand to watch it anymore, no matter what the material is. The Trump sketches were actually kinda funny at first, but had gone stale. I don't bother with SNL anymore and clearly nothings changed on their part.

and yes, media like SNL is all that is necessary to change my fickle mind. You'd think most people would though considering they wouldn't hire a guy who literally talks out of his butt.

You don't get it, why even waste your time responding to satire.  Even worst is that by calling Cohen someone who ratted him out, he gives the impression that Cohen is telling the truth.  Its these dumb slip ups that continue to make him look even more the fool then he already does.  When you are under investigation, any smart person knows you claim up because anything you say, tweet, or do is admissible in court.  If it's this easy to get him to respond, how easy will it be for anyone to continue to get him triggered where he will say something he cannot take back.

As for SNL, the bit wasn't even that funny and I haven't watched the show for a decade.  I just find it funny how easy it is to Trigger Trump and how simple minded he is with his responses, never understanding the connotations or implementations his tweets has.  Each day, Trump continues to show why he has failed with so many different businesses, the man is a complete idiot.



Machiavellian said:
EricHiggin said:

Trump responded, will EH? lol. Can you teach me how to figure out how other people feel about someone else though an internet post that barely touches on that someone else? Maybe it's because I only see in black and white and don't understand the concept of shades of grey?

I used to never miss SNL, but that was years before they started focusing on Trump. Their comedy has gotten worse and worse and I can't stand to watch it anymore, no matter what the material is. The Trump sketches were actually kinda funny at first, but had gone stale. I don't bother with SNL anymore and clearly nothings changed on their part.

and yes, media like SNL is all that is necessary to change my fickle mind. You'd think most people would though considering they wouldn't hire a guy who literally talks out of his butt.

You don't get it, why even waste your time responding to satire.  Even worst is that by calling Cohen someone who ratted him out, he gives the impression that Cohen is telling the truth.  Its these dumb slip ups that continue to make him look even more the fool then he already does.  When you are under investigation, any smart person knows you claim up because anything you say, tweet, or do is admissible in court.  If it's this easy to get him to respond, how easy will it be for anyone to continue to get him triggered where he will say something he cannot take back.

As for SNL, the bit wasn't even that funny and I haven't watched the show for a decade.  I just find it funny how easy it is to Trigger Trump and how simple minded he is with his responses, never understanding the connotations or implementations his tweets has.  Each day, Trump continues to show why he has failed with so many different businesses, the man is a complete idiot.

What's not to get? What exactly defines "wasted time"? No chance he's just trolling? Why should he definitely be worried? Look at all the other political figures over time who've done or said stupid, unacceptable things and basically gotten away with it. Major convictions are few and far between. If your innocent, or you at least are covered enough that legally you don't have to worry, why not continue as per usual? If there is little or no hard evidence that directly ties Trump to any of this, then Trump can even admit to doing it, and unless they can prove he did it, the likelihood of him being proven guilty is highly unlikely. People falsely admit to committing crimes and have their cases tossed when it can't be proven they actually did it. Now if there is substantial hard evidence, but not quite enough to prove guilt beyond doubt, and someone falsely admits to the crime, it can in certain cases, be presented in a manner that ends up being enough for a guilty verdict. If Trump was seriously concerned, he would put a sock in it, but the fact that he doesn't, implies he has nothing to worry about so there is no reason for him to avoid the situation. Either that or he doesn't care either way. It's not like Trump has never been sued before and lost.

Is Trump really the one who is triggered, or is all the haters on social media? Possibly both?



Damn, 700 posts since the last time I visited this thread. How is there so much to say about one trumpet?

OT: He's still as terrible as ever.



CaptainExplosion said:

The fact that Osama bin Laden was Saudi Arabian alone should make Saudi Arabia an enemy of the free world.

There are plenty of reasons to call Saudi Arabia 'an enemy of the free world' (eg. censoring press and criticism, poor human rights...), but this one doesn't make any sense. Bin Laden has never been in the Saudian government, he even criticised them for being friends with the US.



CaptainExplosion said:
Flilix said:

There are plenty of reasons to call Saudi Arabia 'an enemy of the free world' (eg. censoring press and criticism, poor human rights...), but this one doesn't make any sense. Bin Laden has never been in the Saudian government, he even criticised them for being friends with the US.

He was still from that country, so 9/11 was Saudi Arabia's fault. If that country were to fall I can't say I'd be sorry to see it happen.

Need I remind you of the Crown Prince's Tiger Squad, his team of assassins allegedly formed to kill his critics in and out of Saudi Arabia? That would include Western citizens like us. He's pretty much a terrorist now.

Justin Bieber is Canadian. Does that make Canada an enemy of the free world too?