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Last November,

I supported him and I still do - Americas 91 15.77%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Americas 16 2.77%
 
I supported him and I still do - Europe 37 6.41%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Europe 7 1.21%
 
I supported him and I still do - Asia 6 1.04%
 
I supported him and I now don't - Asia 1 0.17%
 
I supported him and I still do - RoW 15 2.60%
 
I supported him and I now don't - RoW 2 0.35%
 
I didn't support him and still don't. 373 64.64%
 
I didn't support him and now do. 29 5.03%
 
Total:577

He is probably mentally retarded.



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Trump is either callous and uncaring or incompetent.

Either way he's unfit to be in any position of power, let alone the highest rank in your country. Denying this exposes your collusion with his racism, xenophobia, and toxic behaviour. (Is collusion the right word? Approval? Indirect support of? Whatever, you know what I mean.)



I didnt support him before, but now I think he's doing a decent job and he doesn't seem as bad as what people made him out to be. I'm gonna start following this stuff closer but from the look of things I don't disagree with Trump on a few things.



Shaqazooloo0 said:
I didnt support him before, but now I think he's doing a decent job and he doesn't seem as bad as what people made him out to be. I'm gonna start following this stuff closer but from the look of things I don't disagree with Trump on a few things.

In what way is he doing a decent job? Honest question. 



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Runa216 said:
Shaqazooloo0 said:
I didnt support him before, but now I think he's doing a decent job and he doesn't seem as bad as what people made him out to be. I'm gonna start following this stuff closer but from the look of things I don't disagree with Trump on a few things.

In what way is he doing a decent job? Honest question. 

He's bringing jobs back to America, he's gotten the unemployment rate to 50 year lows and the lowest it's ever been for minorities iirc, he's looking out for the people of his country and is trying to combat illegal immigration, America's economy is doing better, he's hasn't started any major conflict from what I can tell, he seems really dedicated and is working hard.

In my opinion he's done a decent job for his people. Other than what he does on Twitter, I don't really see why people paint him as the worst thing to happen ever.

Edit: I suppose maybe healthcare? I might need to look into that one to see what his plans are.

Last edited by Shaqazooloo0 - on 04 November 2018

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Shaqazooloo0 said:
Runa216 said:

In what way is he doing a decent job? Honest question. 

He's bringing jobs back to America, he's gotten the unemployment rate to 50 year lows and the lowest it's ever been for minorities iirc, he's looking out for the people of his country and is trying to combat illegal immigration, America's economy is doing better, he's hasn't started any major conflict from what I can tell, he seems really dedicated and is working hard.

In my opinion he's done a decent job for his people. Other than what he does on Twitter, I don't really see why people paint him as the worst thing to happen ever.

What? How is he doing any of that? Care to cite your sources? I don't see how he's 'bringing jobs back to america' by initiating trade wars and picking fights with allies. all he's doing is further cutting America off from the rest of the world.

As for "50 year lows", here's something to consider: it takes ~2 years for an administration to really have an effect on the economy. Obama took over RIGHT at the same time as the economic collapse and, if you look at the bar, his administration was what set in motion the reclaiming of jobs to get things to where they are. Unemployment has been fairly steadily declining since October 2009; Trump is just riding on the wave of what those before him have done and trying to take all the credit. "Believe me, I know economics. Nobody knows economics better than me", paraphrased by the man who bankrupted a half dozen companies with all the millions he'd been given.  

And when you factor in the ill will he's fostering with your international partners and allies, I can definitely imagine that will have piss-poor long-term results. We'll see about that. 

As for 'not seeing why people paint him as the worst thing ever', have you even listened to the man talk? He's emotionally and mentally unfit for office. He has the thinnest skin of any president, is constantly threatening nuclear war against those who challenge him, declaring journalists who question him or criticize him as enemies of the state, outwardly demonizing news outlets who bring to light the terrible things he's said and done, and has been firing anyone who claims to have dirt on him. 

He's corrupt, a terrible businessman, and lies so frequently and with so little remorse I'm amazed he's not also a serial killer. He's clearly a narcissistic sociopath with either no concept of reality or no regards for it. he just rolls from one lie or mistruth to another and as a result it stopped being shocking long ago. It's the bed of nails mentality where one or ten nails will puncture the skin, but enough of them and the outrage is so spread out that no one instance matters anymore. 

So let's just pretend that the reclaimation of jobs and the minimizing of unemployment is actually him. It's not, but let's pretend it is for the sake of argument. Is that worth permanent, irreconcilable ill will towards the US from other nations? Is it worth the hatred and vitriol he's concentrating on the nation in the long term? No, it is not. We're a global community now and we need to work together. Trump acting like he does is just going to alienate and isolate your nation, which is bad for LITERALLY EVERYONE. Sure, the economy might surge for a bit, employment rates might go up, but in the end it hurts everyone. 

Do I even need to talk about the Paris Accords? Clear case of "Fuck the world, fuck the environment, I got my dolla billz y'all. All that matters is the economy, fuck ecology." 

As for 'his stance on illegal immigration', holy shit there's so much wrong with his stance on that. 

He's not 'helping' anything. Yes, illegal immigration IS a problem in the US, but it's also a problem in europe and the rest of the world. IT's something that needs to be addressed, but painting entire nations/ethnicities/religions as all being terrorists or rapists or drug lords is the very definition of stereotyping. It's racist, it's xenophobic, and it's disgusting. Painting entire groups like this as dangerous is not 'protecting' anyone, it's just stoking the flames beneath his racist, xenophobic supporters by demonizing a group. It's tribalism at its absolute worst and if you actually think what he's doing is good for anyone in the long run, you are sorely mistaken. 

All he cares about is fame and money. He doesn't care about his people, he just cares about those who love him. He's a narcissist, he's a pathological liar, he's bigoted in many ways, and he has no heart to care for the impoverished or unfortunate. 

If you're not a wealthy - preferrably white - christian american, you can die in a fire for all he cares. He doesn't want to make America Great, he wants to make a lot of money. I'd use more colorful language to describe him, but I think you get the point. 

As a final note: "He hasn't started any major conflict, as far as I can tell". While this is so far true, it's not for lack of trying. He's trying to cause shit with everyone that isn't Russia. He's TRYING To start a fight but the rest of america is fighting to stop him from doing so. Everything he says and everything he does is practically begging to start a war of some sort. HE's a child who wants to pick a fight to show how strong he is to make up for the fact that he's insufferably pathetic. 



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Runa216 said:

What? How is he doing any of that? Care to cite your sources? I don't see how he's 'bringing jobs back to america' by initiating trade wars and picking fights with allies. all he's doing is further cutting America off from the rest of the world.

I at least know about what happened with Ford but I did search a little and it seems he's brought a few jobs back. Unless I'm misunderstanding. 

https://investorplace.com/2017/01/10-companies-bringing-jobs-back-to-america/

As for "50 year lows", here's something to consider: it takes ~2 years for an administration to really have an effect on the economy. Obama took over RIGHT at the same time as the economic collapse and, if you look at the bar, his administration was what set in motion the reclaiming of jobs to get things to where they are. Unemployment has been fairly steadily declining since October 2009; Trump is just riding on the wave of what those before him have done and trying to take all the credit. "Believe me, I know economics. Nobody knows economics better than me", paraphrased by the man who bankrupted a half dozen companies with all the millions he'd been given.  

I've seen this said other places as well so i'm aware. I'm not gonna go against the idea that the economy and unemployment rate is a continuation of what Obama managed, however I don't think that goes against me saying that I think he's doing a decent job if it wasn't a guaranteed result. If Trump is continuing the trend then thats decent in my eye's, him improving on it would be good and falling behind would've been poor. He didn't screw things up soo...

As for 'not seeing why people paint him as the worst thing ever', have you even listened to the man talk? He's emotionally and mentally unfit for office. He has the thinnest skin of any president, is constantly threatening nuclear war against those who challenge him, declaring journalists who question him or criticize him as enemies of the state, outwardly demonizing news outlets who bring to light the terrible things he's said and done, and has been firing anyone who claims to have dirt on him. 

I don't think any of this justify's saying that he's the worst ever. People make it sound like he's Hitler, when he's not. It all just seems like overreactions at this point. I thought that when he become president he was gonna cause the end of the world or at the very least make WW3 a reality, but nothings really changed and he calmed down Korea a little. I think people are just letting hatred blind them or letting emotions get the best of them because a lot peoples takes on Trump are way too over the top and ridiculous.

Regarding him declaring Journalists as Enemy of the State, thats because of their bias and lies. I've seen articles try to spin and even not cover stories because it wouldn't be able fit there narrative. I can't believe i'm about to use this term unironically because I always thought that it was just some dumb thing that Trump made up to mock the media... but their is a lot fake news out their...

I have no problem with them calling Trump out on his BS but the media has it's own BS that should be called out.

He's corrupt, a terrible businessman, and lies so frequently and with so little remorse I'm amazed he's not also a serial killer. He's clearly a narcissistic sociopath with either no concept of reality or no regards for it. he just rolls from one lie or mistruth to another and as a result it stopped being shocking long ago. It's the bed of nails mentality where one or ten nails will puncture the skin, but enough of them and the outrage is so spread out that no one instance matters anymore. 

I feel this could apply to most politicians...

So let's just pretend that the reclaimation of jobs and the minimizing of unemployment is actually him. It's not, but let's pretend it is for the sake of argument. Is that worth permanent, irreconcilable ill will towards the US from other nations? Is it worth the hatred and vitriol he's concentrating on the nation in the long term? No, it is not. We're a global community now and we need to work together. Trump acting like he does is just going to alienate and isolate your nation, which is bad for LITERALLY EVERYONE. Sure, the economy might surge for a bit, employment rates might go up, but in the end it hurts everyone. 

Even if Trump did foster ill will to the U.S I don't think id be permanent. I think that's an over exaggeration, also it's not like Trump doesn't want to help the world, he just wants to focus on America first, fix the issues their and get on track then help out with the world.

 As for 'his stance on illegal immigration', holy shit there's so much wrong with his stance on that. 

He's not 'helping' anything. Yes, illegal immigration IS a problem in the US, but it's also a problem in europe and the rest of the world. IT's something that needs to be addressed, but painting entire nations/ethnicities/religions as all being terrorists or rapists or drug lords is the very definition of stereotyping. It's racist, it's xenophobic, and it's disgusting. Painting entire groups like this as dangerous is not 'protecting' anyone, it's just stoking the flames beneath his racist, xenophobic supporters by demonizing a group. It's tribalism at its absolute worst and if you actually think what he's doing is good for anyone in the long run, you are sorely mistaken. 

He's sees illegals as rapists, gangbangers, criminals and bad people. He has no problem with people that go through the legal process.

Ignoring my comment though, would this be the only issue you have with him on illegal immigration or do you have further issues with him on the topic of illegals? Do you only disagree with him implying that the nations housing the illegals are full of rapists, terrorists, etc? Do you think countries should just let anyone in?

All he cares about is fame and money. He doesn't care about his people, he just cares about those who love him. He's a narcissist, he's a pathological liar, he's bigoted in many ways, and he has no heart to care for the impoverished or unfortunate. 

If you're not a wealthy - preferrably white - christian american, you can die in a fire for all he cares. He doesn't want to make America Great, he wants to make a lot of money. I'd use more colorful language to describe him, but I think you get the point. 

Doesn't he basically work for free?

Also I agree with most of this except that he does care for his people. Imo the fact that he's putting the country first says as much to me.

Idk I think Trump has been decent, not great but decent. I get that you hate him and you're free to but I don't. I think the overreaction and hot takes from left contributed to me turning around. Compared to what people thought was gonna happen it makes the actual turn out seem pretty good.



SpokenTruth said:
So not only does Trump cancel a visitation to a WWI ceremony due to rain (no other previous president canceled for weather) but now he demands that we don't count overseas mail in ballots (which are mostly military)....on Veterans Day.

Guy continues to make friends around the world. 



SpokenTruth said:
Shaqazooloo0 said:

He's bringing jobs back to America, he's gotten the unemployment rate to 50 year lows and the lowest it's ever been for minorities iirc, he's looking out for the people of his country and is trying to combat illegal immigration, America's economy is doing better, he's hasn't started any major conflict from what I can tell, he seems really dedicated and is working hard.

In my opinion he's done a decent job for his people. Other than what he does on Twitter, I don't really see why people paint him as the worst thing to happen ever.

Edit: I suppose maybe healthcare? I might need to look into that one to see what his plans are.

The unemployment rate and economic growth are simply on the same trajectory that they were under Obama.  It's not so much he got it there but he didn't get in the way of it continuing to get there.  He loves to claim responsibility but the numbers show a different picture.

Basically, the economy is like a large super-tanker with a small rudder. You can make changes, but it will often take years for the effects to be seen. We saw this happen with both Reagan and George Bush Jr. administrations.

Trump policy had nothing to do with economic growth, nor should he get credit for "not screwing it upm" since we have yet to see the impact of his policies take effect.

What we CAN see this year from his policies is a huge rise in the US deficit. As a result of his mismanagement of the budget, the US federal revenue is falling another 21% short of 2017 from its goals. If he is to run the government like a business, it's heading toward bankruptcy; and it will be unable to prop up the consumer class and protect the economy from damage - due to inflation and an increase of the price of products, the majority of Americans have less spending power than they did in 2016 - while the effects are slight now, they will compound over time, and given another 6 years the effects will really be felt.

The same old game of "give the investment class more money, and it will trickle down to you!" never works, it didn't work in the 20s, it didn't work in the 80s, and it didn't work in the Bush years. All that happened was the wealthier people kept the money, and it increased the disaprity of those working for the money and those investing in business ownership. There is no correlation between increased profits and workers being more valued for their work; especially when things are deregulated to the point that the investment class doesn't have to pay attention to the fact that their workers can't afford a house, to send their kids to school, or healthcare - the government isn't there to provide it either.



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SpokenTruth said:
So not only does Trump cancel a visitation to a WWI ceremony due to rain (no other previous president canceled for weather) but now he demands that we don't count overseas mail in ballots (which are mostly military)....on Veterans Day.

I find this outrage to be overdramatization of propagandist news outlets , it has gotten so dull that i would be happy when democrats are elected again just so that this shitshow slows down.