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Where do you think Microsoft will focus on?

PC 62 54.87%
 
Xbox 14 12.39%
 
Equal focus on both 37 32.74%
 
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Chris Hu said:
Errorist76 said:

 

You’re just proving my point tbh. The console market grew to almost 300% the size. So 1/3 Of 40 Million is 13.3 Million. 13 Million 4th gen would have been slightly more than PC Engine. You call that a success?!

Your video game knowledge is also severely lacking the PC Engine sold only 5.8 million units.  So 13.3 million units is a lot more then slightly more then the PC Engine.  Also the PC Engine was actually a success in Japan since it sold 3.9 million units there it just flopped in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboGrafx-16

It seems that wikipedia page isn't entirely accurate or hasn't been updated.
It lists PC Engine at 10 million here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_generation_of_video_game_consoles#Worldwide_sales_standings

Here it also seems to be above 10 million world wide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region

Other sources place it at 10 million here:
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/turbografx-16-at-25-remembering-the-little-pc-engine-that-could
And here:
https://ryanlambie.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/25-years-of-the-pc-engine/
And here:
https://qz.com/666299/the-golden-era-of-video-game-console-sales-is-over/
And here:
http://www.retrogamingconsoles.com/consoles/pc-engine-turbografx-16/
And here:
http://obsoletegamer.com/what-are-the-best-selling-video-game-consoles-of-all-time/



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Vizigoth04 said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Okay, I don't disagree with that, but making a blanket statement to deflect criticism of a company's lack of market share isn't something you should do, even if it's a company you like.

Yeah it will be a success and yeah it will beat SNES but  the market was way different back then. 

Also arguing about whether the Xbox One is a success or not is futile, the discussion is where Microsoft is headed.

I think that's a valid question. Where are they going with Gaming? Their intentions aren't clear. And fans of Xbox need to know if they need to buy both an Xbox One with Windows 10 to play video games or buy a PC with Windows 10 to play videogames. Or do they have to buy both because Halo may never see PC?

Ok ..... why are you replying to me with this?



Pemalite said:
Chris Hu said:

Your video game knowledge is also severely lacking the PC Engine sold only 5.8 million units.  So 13.3 million units is a lot more then slightly more then the PC Engine.  Also the PC Engine was actually a success in Japan since it sold 3.9 million units there it just flopped in the west.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TurboGrafx-16

It seems that wikipedia page isn't entirely accurate or hasn't been updated.
It lists PC Engine at 10 million here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_generation_of_video_game_consoles#Worldwide_sales_standings

Here it also seems to be above 10 million world wide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region

Other sources place it at 10 million here:
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/turbografx-16-at-25-remembering-the-little-pc-engine-that-could
And here:
https://ryanlambie.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/25-years-of-the-pc-engine/
And here:
https://qz.com/666299/the-golden-era-of-video-game-console-sales-is-over/
And here:
http://www.retrogamingconsoles.com/consoles/pc-engine-turbografx-16/
And here:
http://obsoletegamer.com/what-are-the-best-selling-video-game-consoles-of-all-time/

Well even if it sold closer to ten million units what I said about it being a success in Japan is still correct and 13.3 million compared to 10 million is still a lot more then just slightly more.  If something sells slightly more then 10 million it would be in the 10 to 11 million units range.



Chris Hu said:

Well even if it sold closer to ten million units what I said about it being a success in Japan is still correct and 13.3 million compared to 10 million is still a lot more then just slightly more.  If something sells slightly more then 10 million it would be in the 10 to 11 million units range.

A jump from 10 million to 13.3 million is 33%. It's not a small increase by any measure.

And it most certainly was a success in Japan.



Chris Hu said:
Pemalite said:

It seems that wikipedia page isn't entirely accurate or hasn't been updated.
It lists PC Engine at 10 million here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_generation_of_video_game_consoles#Worldwide_sales_standings

Here it also seems to be above 10 million world wide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region

Other sources place it at 10 million here:
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/turbografx-16-at-25-remembering-the-little-pc-engine-that-could
And here:
https://ryanlambie.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/25-years-of-the-pc-engine/
And here:
https://qz.com/666299/the-golden-era-of-video-game-console-sales-is-over/
And here:
http://www.retrogamingconsoles.com/consoles/pc-engine-turbografx-16/
And here:
http://obsoletegamer.com/what-are-the-best-selling-video-game-consoles-of-all-time/

Well even if it sold closer to ten million units what I said about it being a success in Japan is still correct and 13.3 million compared to 10 million is still a lot more then just slightly more.  If something sells slightly more then 10 million it would be in the 10 to 11 million units range.

Oh my you guys are really grasping at straws. What we’re talking about is the relation to the 40 Million the SNES was selling back then. 10 or 13 makes hardly a difference in that regard. It seems you’ve forgotten what this discussion was initially about.



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Errorist76 said:
Chris Hu said:

Well even if it sold closer to ten million units what I said about it being a success in Japan is still correct and 13.3 million compared to 10 million is still a lot more then just slightly more.  If something sells slightly more then 10 million it would be in the 10 to 11 million units range.

Oh my you guys are really grasping at straws. What we’re talking about is the relation to the 40 Million the SNES was selling back then. 10 or 13 makes hardly a difference in that regard. It seems you’ve forgotten what this discussion was initially about.

I wasn't making any claims of one console having a sales relation to another.



Errorist76 said:
Chris Hu said:

Well even if it sold closer to ten million units what I said about it being a success in Japan is still correct and 13.3 million compared to 10 million is still a lot more then just slightly more.  If something sells slightly more then 10 million it would be in the 10 to 11 million units range.

Oh my you guys are really grasping at straws. What we’re talking about is the relation to the 40 Million the SNES was selling back then. 10 or 13 makes hardly a difference in that regard. It seems you’ve forgotten what this discussion was initially about.

I'm not grasping at straws a 33% increase is more then just slightly more and the PC Engine was a success in Japan it was more popular then the the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive there.  



Errorist76 said:
Pemalite said:

4th console generation:
Super Nintendo: 49.1 million consoles sold.
Megadrive: 33.75 million.
PC Engine: 10 million.
Neo Geo: 0.98 million.
CD-i: 0.57 million.

Total: 94.4 million consoles sold that generation.

Fast forward to the 7th console generation (As 8th hasn't concluded yet):
Xbox 360: 84.4 million consoles.
Playstation 3: 80 million consoles.
Wii: 101 million consoles.

Total: 265.4 million consoles.

That means the 4th gen console market was only 35% of the size of the 7th gen.

With that... A console that sells 40 million pieces of hardware, regardless of generation is still a damn good achievement.

You’re just proving my point tbh. The console market grew to almost 300% the size. So 1/3 Of 40 Million is 13.3 Million. 13 Million 4th gen would have been slightly more than PC Engine. You call that a success?!

The problem in your logic is that you are comparing the total sales of one device versus 4 years of sales on the other device.

The console market grew to almost 300% the size. So 1/3 Of 70 Million PS4s is 23.3 Million. 23 Million 4th gen would have been in the middle of PC Engine + MegaDrive and not even half of the SNES sales. You call that a success?! ;)



S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft doesn't seem to care about hardware, but only their applications and os spreading like wildfire.

I wouldn't say that. Even if they axed their Phone division, Surface seems to sell very well, and it isn't market leader either. Of course the difference is, that Surface helps with spreading the OS, while Xbox doesn't.



Pemalite said:

I never said you couldn't run it all in software.

But did you miss the part of how it impacts performance? Not everyone is running a Core i9 with a pair of Titan XP's you know.

My point all along was that it could be run on hardware other than an XBox and you categorically said "It can't",  when the reality is it actually CAN. I didn't put the I"t can't" comment into your mouth or keyboard in this case and you didn't bother qualifying it. Also you don't need a i9 to decompress images and audio. But if you don't want to accept the facts, let us both wait a few years to see if Microsoft does go down the Xbox on PC route as I mentioned or not. Time will reveal my prediction to be true or false. Let's wait and see.