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Where do you think Microsoft will focus on?

PC 62 54.87%
 
Xbox 14 12.39%
 
Equal focus on both 37 32.74%
 
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Errorist76 on 10 December 2017
Chris Hu said:
Pemalite said:

It seems that wikipedia page isn't entirely accurate or hasn't been updated.
It lists PC Engine at 10 million here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fourth_generation_of_video_game_consoles#Worldwide_sales_standings

Here it also seems to be above 10 million world wide.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_best-selling_game_consoles_by_region

Other sources place it at 10 million here:
http://www.usgamer.net/articles/turbografx-16-at-25-remembering-the-little-pc-engine-that-could
And here:
https://ryanlambie.wordpress.com/2012/10/30/25-years-of-the-pc-engine/
And here:
https://qz.com/666299/the-golden-era-of-video-game-console-sales-is-over/
And here:
http://www.retrogamingconsoles.com/consoles/pc-engine-turbografx-16/
And here:
http://obsoletegamer.com/what-are-the-best-selling-video-game-consoles-of-all-time/

Well even if it sold closer to ten million units what I said about it being a success in Japan is still correct and 13.3 million compared to 10 million is still a lot more then just slightly more.  If something sells slightly more then 10 million it would be in the 10 to 11 million units range.

Oh my you guys are really grasping at straws. What we’re talking about is the relation to the 40 Million the SNES was selling back then. 10 or 13 makes hardly a difference in that regard. It seems you’ve forgotten what this discussion was initially about.



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Pemalite on 10 December 2017
Errorist76 said:
Chris Hu said:

Well even if it sold closer to ten million units what I said about it being a success in Japan is still correct and 13.3 million compared to 10 million is still a lot more then just slightly more.  If something sells slightly more then 10 million it would be in the 10 to 11 million units range.

Oh my you guys are really grasping at straws. What we’re talking about is the relation to the 40 Million the SNES was selling back then. 10 or 13 makes hardly a difference in that regard. It seems you’ve forgotten what this discussion was initially about.

I wasn't making any claims of one console having a sales relation to another.



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Chris Hu on 10 December 2017
Errorist76 said:
Chris Hu said:

Well even if it sold closer to ten million units what I said about it being a success in Japan is still correct and 13.3 million compared to 10 million is still a lot more then just slightly more.  If something sells slightly more then 10 million it would be in the 10 to 11 million units range.

Oh my you guys are really grasping at straws. What we’re talking about is the relation to the 40 Million the SNES was selling back then. 10 or 13 makes hardly a difference in that regard. It seems you’ve forgotten what this discussion was initially about.

I'm not grasping at straws a 33% increase is more then just slightly more and the PC Engine was a success in Japan it was more popular then the the Sega Genesis/Mega Drive there.  



Conina on 10 December 2017
Errorist76 said:
Pemalite said:

4th console generation:
Super Nintendo: 49.1 million consoles sold.
Megadrive: 33.75 million.
PC Engine: 10 million.
Neo Geo: 0.98 million.
CD-i: 0.57 million.

Total: 94.4 million consoles sold that generation.

Fast forward to the 7th console generation (As 8th hasn't concluded yet):
Xbox 360: 84.4 million consoles.
Playstation 3: 80 million consoles.
Wii: 101 million consoles.

Total: 265.4 million consoles.

That means the 4th gen console market was only 35% of the size of the 7th gen.

With that... A console that sells 40 million pieces of hardware, regardless of generation is still a damn good achievement.

You’re just proving my point tbh. The console market grew to almost 300% the size. So 1/3 Of 40 Million is 13.3 Million. 13 Million 4th gen would have been slightly more than PC Engine. You call that a success?!

The problem in your logic is that you are comparing the total sales of one device versus 4 years of sales on the other device.

The console market grew to almost 300% the size. So 1/3 Of 70 Million PS4s is 23.3 Million. 23 Million 4th gen would have been in the middle of PC Engine + MegaDrive and not even half of the SNES sales. You call that a success?! ;)



Kaneman! on 10 December 2017
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft doesn't seem to care about hardware, but only their applications and os spreading like wildfire.

I wouldn't say that. Even if they axed their Phone division, Surface seems to sell very well, and it isn't market leader either. Of course the difference is, that Surface helps with spreading the OS, while Xbox doesn't.



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CartBlanche on 10 December 2017
Pemalite said:

I never said you couldn't run it all in software.

But did you miss the part of how it impacts performance? Not everyone is running a Core i9 with a pair of Titan XP's you know.

My point all along was that it could be run on hardware other than an XBox and you categorically said "It can't",  when the reality is it actually CAN. I didn't put the I"t can't" comment into your mouth or keyboard in this case and you didn't bother qualifying it. Also you don't need a i9 to decompress images and audio. But if you don't want to accept the facts, let us both wait a few years to see if Microsoft does go down the Xbox on PC route as I mentioned or not. Time will reveal my prediction to be true or false. Let's wait and see. 



Pemalite on 10 December 2017
Kaneman! said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft doesn't seem to care about hardware, but only their applications and os spreading like wildfire.

I wouldn't say that. Even if they axed their Phone division, Surface seems to sell very well, and it isn't market leader either. Of course the difference is, that Surface helps with spreading the OS, while Xbox doesn't.

There are rumors that Microsoft may be bringing phones back as a surface branded device.

Xbox does help push Microsoft services though, Gold, Bing, Skype and so on.



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Pemalite on 10 December 2017
CartBlanche said:

My point all along was that it could be run on hardware other than an XBox and you categorically said "It can't",  when the reality is it actually CAN.

False. You obviously need to re-read my post again in the correct intended context.

And I quote: "Did you miss the part where the Xbox One chip retains partial backwards compatibility with prior consoles in hardware? PC doesn't have that... Rather. It can't."

And the reason is simple. The propriety formats that various xbox's use are exclusive to those platforms, whilst AMD could incorporate such tech into it's chips, nVidia and Intel are under no such obligations.

CartBlanche said:

Also you don't need a i9 to decompress images and audio. But if you don't want to accept the facts, let us both wait a few years to see if Microsoft does go down the Xbox on PC route as I mentioned or not. Time will reveal my prediction to be true or false. Let's wait and see. 

It's more than just decompressing images and audio.



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Mr Puggsly on 10 December 2017
Kaneman! said:
S.T.A.G.E. said:

Microsoft doesn't seem to care about hardware, but only their applications and os spreading like wildfire.

I wouldn't say that. Even if they axed their Phone division, Surface seems to sell very well, and it isn't market leader either. Of course the difference is, that Surface helps with spreading the OS, while Xbox doesn't.

Xbox One is Windows lite, its essentially built on it. Not only does Windows and Xbox share games, but they share apps thanks to UWP.

For the 9th gen Xbox, I think they will reach the final phase of the direction they're going. Xbox would become a curated version of Windows PC. Hence, easy to use Xbox style interface running Windows PC software.



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LudicrousSpeed on 10 December 2017
Zoombael said:
LudicrousSpeed said:

Nadella told investors yesterday that they’re expanding their push into the gaming market. Despite what you’d read on this forum, apparently Microsoft makes money in gaming and plans to stay. Who’d of thunk it.

Personally I don’t mind them losing the sales battle. Would we have awesome initiatives like Game Pass, EA Access, Play Anywhere, or 360/Xbox BC if MS were winning? The lack of domination Sony was used to with the PS3 surely helped themake a much better console with PS4. Turns out competition is good.

Is that so? Pls, elaborate...

What exactly is there to elaborate on? Seems like pretty ironclad common sense to me.

Sony made mistakes with the PS3 both in terms of hardware and marketing, thanks in large part to arrogance attributed to two gens of not just "winning" sales wars but absolutely slaughtering the competition. Those mistakes were fixed with PS4. Not only were those mistakes fixed, they toned down their laughably arrogant, downright trollish PR from guys like Kenny K and Jack Tretton.

The end result is a PS4 designed and marketed in a far superior way. Just look at Microsoft and the Xbox One. That was Sony and the PS3.