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Teeqoz said:
Azuren said:

Well, as far as objective testing is concerned, they have significantly more color volume (I forgot the add "volume"), but the big deal about the theoretical quantity OLED is self-emitting diodes with no burn-in.

Maybe it's just our set-up at work, but of all the TVs we have on display, none of the QLEDs come close to LGs OLEDs.

No idea, I just know the tests all show QLEDs have more color volume.



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zygote said:

You may not want to hear this, but wait till next year.  Over the next year OLED will take over the market.  OLED is definitely worth the added cost, but like you said it is a little pricey right now.  One cool thing about OLED is that the benefit is immediate.  You don't have to have any other special tech to enjoy a drastically better picture.  Unless you have a full 4K player and 4K media, having a 4K TV is just not worth the upgrade. We will also hear more word on next gen consoles which will like be fully 4K, not pseudo 4K, from time of launch.

It depends on your situation though.  Do you have an extra $600 laying around that you have absolutely no other place to put it?  Are you going to have a definite excess of $1000 next year to play with?  If the answer is yes to both questions, then do what you want.  You can always sell the 4K TV you buy this year, next year, or use it in another way.  If you are limited on cash though and will be over the next year, do what I suggested first and wait.

http://www.rtings.com/tv/learn/permanent-image-retention-burn-in-lcd-oled



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Also, Zygote, OLED won't be taking over the market. Only two of the big four are doing it, and Sony may not do it again next year due to low sales of the A1E.



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Azuren said:
Teeqoz said:

Maybe it's just our set-up at work, but of all the TVs we have on display, none of the QLEDs come close to LGs OLEDs.

No idea, I just know the tests all show QLEDs have more color volume.

Really Azuren? What do you mean by color "volume" ? First time I hear about that. Color Gamut? Color Space? Fine. But Volume?

Also this:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/qled-vs-oled-tv/



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Hynad said:
Azuren said:

No idea, I just know the tests all show QLEDs have more color volume.

Really Azuren? What do you mean by color "volume" ? First time I hear about that. Color Gamut? Color Space? Fine. But Volume?

Also this:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/qled-vs-oled-tv/

As per Rtings:

"What it is: How many colors a TV can display at different luminosity levels.

When it matters: HDR content. Includes some streaming videos, UHD Blu-rays and HDR games."
And QLEDs as they are now are not really where Samsung is taking it. Yes, OLEDs have better picture, but Samsung seems adamant that the tables will turn rather hardly when they make the QLEDs self-emitting.


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Azuren said:
Hynad said:

Really Azuren? What do you mean by color "volume" ? First time I hear about that. Color Gamut? Color Space? Fine. But Volume?

Also this:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/qled-vs-oled-tv/

As per Rtings:

"What it is: How many colors a TV can display at different luminosity levels.

When it matters: HDR content. Includes some streaming videos, UHD Blu-rays and HDR games."
And QLEDs as they are now are not really where Samsung is taking it. Yes, OLEDs have better picture, but Samsung seems adamant that the tables will turn rather hardly when they make the QLEDs self-emitting.

So it simply allows for more saturated colors at extreme brightness. Yet OLED TVs still take the crown when it comes to picture quality. Go figure?

As to your QLED tidbit, are you saying that an hypothetical tech that isn't remotely on the market is currently beating the picture quality of OLED TVs?

Sure enough, when it does comes out, it will be expensive, but also more than likely the better of the two tech. But until there's a consumer-ready set available, there's really no point in bringing this up in a thread where someone asks what he should get in the current age.



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Hynad said:
Azuren said:

No idea, I just know the tests all show QLEDs have more color volume.

Really Azuren? What do you mean by color "volume" ? First time I hear about that. Color Gamut? Color Space? Fine. But Volume?

Also this:

https://www.digitaltrends.com/home-theater/qled-vs-oled-tv/

Your linked article actually mentions colour volume But yes, unless your living room is brightly lit while watching TV, it shouldn't be a problem.



Azuren said:
Also, Zygote, OLED won't be taking over the market. Only two of the big four are doing it, and Sony may not do it again next year due to low sales of the A1E.

Good point on the first link.  I didn't know burn-in had that level of potential for OLED.  Looking at the TV offerings this year, 4K tech has nearly become standard across the board.  It is possible that the manufacturers will focus on that market conversion over the next year, however OLED has such dramatic picture differences and has been touted for long enough that I find it hard to believe that all manufacturers will have some hat in that ring by next Christmas.  OLED may not win out completely in the end, but some form or evolution of that technology will be.  Might be best to hold off for a couple of years for gamers looks like though from that burn-in test. I was going to wait until next Christmas to get a main OLED, but we will see what happens this year with the tech.



Hynad said:
Azuren said:

As per Rtings:

"What it is: How many colors a TV can display at different luminosity levels.

When it matters: HDR content. Includes some streaming videos, UHD Blu-rays and HDR games."
And QLEDs as they are now are not really where Samsung is taking it. Yes, OLEDs have better picture, but Samsung seems adamant that the tables will turn rather hardly when they make the QLEDs self-emitting.

So it simply allows for more saturated colors at extreme brightness. Yet OLED TVs still take the crown when it comes to picture quality. Go figure?

As to your QLED tidbit, are you saying that an hypothetical tech that isn't remotely on the market is currently beating the picture quality of OLED TVs?

Sure enough, when it does comes out, it will be expensive, but also more than likely the better of the two tech. But until there's a consumer-ready set available, there's really no point in bringing this up in a thread where someone asks what he should get in the current age.

Yes, they do. They also take the crown for burn-in and lost detail in blacks (OLED diodes on LG OLEDs turn off at 20cd/me, losing all detail that appears in that range).

 

My original mention of QLED was in reference to how OLED would never reach an acceptable state before it was beaten, and I thought that's what we were discussing. As far as picture quality now, there are four TVs from Sony alone that top out the Q9F, so it's not impressing anyone right now.

 

I would argue that something with a burn-in rate like OLED isn't consumer ready.



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Azuren said:
Hynad said:

So it simply allows for more saturated colors at extreme brightness. Yet OLED TVs still take the crown when it comes to picture quality. Go figure?

As to your QLED tidbit, are you saying that an hypothetical tech that isn't remotely on the market is currently beating the picture quality of OLED TVs?

Sure enough, when it does comes out, it will be expensive, but also more than likely the better of the two tech. But until there's a consumer-ready set available, there's really no point in bringing this up in a thread where someone asks what he should get in the current age.

Yes, they do. They also take the crown for burn-in and lost detail in blacks (OLED diodes on LG OLEDs turn off at 20cd/me, losing all detail that appears in that range).

 

My original mention of QLED was in reference to how OLED would never reach an acceptable state before it was beaten, and I thought that's what we were discussing. As far as picture quality now, there are four TVs from Sony alone that top out the Q9F, so it's not impressing anyone right now.

 

I would argue that something with a burn-in rate like OLED isn't consumer ready.

But you're making a bigger deal out of burn-in than it is.

From the link I shared:

SCREEN BURN-IN

"We include this section begrudgingly, both because burn-in is a misnomer (that’s just an aggravation) and, for most folks, the effect will not be an issue.

The effect we’ve come to know as burn-in stems from the days of the boxy CRT TV, when prolonged display of a static image would cause that image to appear to “burn” into the screen. What was actually taking place then was the phosphors that coated the back of the TV screen would glow for extended periods of time without any rest, causing the phosphors to wear out and create the appearance of a burned-in image. We think this should be called “burn out.” But … whatever.

The same issue is at play with OLED TVs because the compounds that light up do degrade over time. If you burn a pixel long and hard enough, you will cause it to dim prematurely and ahead of the rest of the pixels, creating a dark impression. However, in reality, this is not very likely to cause a problem for anyone — you’d have to abuse the TV intentionally in order to achieve this result. Even the “bug” (logo graphic) that certain channels use disappears often enough or is made clear so as to avoid causing burn-in issues. You’d have to watch ESPN all day every day (for many days) at the brightest possible setting to cause a problem, and even then it still isn’t very likely.

That said, the potential is there, and it should be noted. Since QLED TVs aren’t susceptible to burn-in, they win this fight by technicality"

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