irstupid said:
I'm of the opposite spectrum. Pretty much everything that was Wheden I hated.
The random Russian family? Stupid. Supid Stupid. Stepenwolf sets up base in some abandoned nuclear facility where there is no people, he is hidden, ect. It shows many scenes of the parademons, thousands of them, checking like every house windows. Yet this family goes unnoticed? If there were any people living in that nuclear fallout zone, they would have been found and killed in seconds. Remember, apparently parademons can smell fear and hone in on it in seconds. Apparantly that family was not scared at all? But then since they were there, superman and flash need to leave final battle to have a quick save two people scene. Just wasted time. Felt like in Avengers movies where you had that random chick being saved by Cap, or in Age of Ultron you had some random person focused in the saving. It just is awkward. How many minutes did we waste on the Russian family scenes that could have been used to show some more flash/cyborg backstory or more of aquaman in atlantis. Hell, go rewatch the most recent justice league trailer. There is like a full minutes worth of stuff in that trailer alone that is not in the movie.
The parademons main mission was locating and securing the mother boxes. The rest of the casualties were basically a side effect, their objective was fully converting everyone. Also, it's hardly impossible for a few people to escape their search.
About them saving the family, heroes are supposed to go out of their way to save people. Just read Death of the Superman. He was fighting an unstoppable monster that could clearly kill him and he would go out of his way to save anyone in danger, he would let the monster get a bunch of free punches on him just to save someone. That's the real Superman, not that ridiculous douche that Snyder puts on films, that will let a bunch of people die because he is to distracted punching Zod in the face.
This kind of stuff is there to show that the heroes are trying to save people instead of just punching superpowered bad dudes. Superman flying away to save civilians even with Steppenwolf almost destroying the Earth was the most Superman-like thing they ever used put on the DCU.
Yes, pretty much all of superman lines were Wheden. And all of his lines were very cringeworthy. Do you bleed? Really. The world needs me, not you? Really? I wish I was dead? Really? Besides looking horrible CGI lip, they were either a cringy joke or just so so so out of character. The whole batman/superman do you bleed scene completely made that scene ruined. It went from being a Superman being resurrected that was confused/lost/instinct mode that was seemingly defending himself to all of sudden he was doing evil things. He recognized Batman and was going to kill him. Before that, it was your typical person gets resserected and isn't themselves. But at the Batman part it was superman killing batman.
He was clearly confused due to his resurrection and pissed off. He saw Batman and remembered that he tried to kill him and jumped on him. Just mind that this whole scene was Snyder's. Whedon changed the dialogue but the scene is the same.
What you refer as "cheesiness" is exactly what Superman is on comic books. He is a bit cheesy, that's why he is called "big blue boy scout". The kind of lines he said were not out of character, they were exactly what the character is supposed to be. The whole characterization they used on MoS and BvS was totally out of character. In BvS he was just a big bully.
The worst part of the whole movie, which pretty sure was Wheden, was the Batman/Wonder Woman romance section. The whole part where they are searching for the motherboxes/Steppenwolf and Batman goes to take off his suit to look at his bruises. WW shows up randomly wearing some red cape/scarf thing. WTF. Why did she all of a sudden throw that on? Guessing it somehow helped hide her pregnancy, but regardless it was jarring. But then we were stuck suffereing through some wheden fanboy Bruce/Diana romance. Why do all female super heroes need to be forced into a romance? I'm sure the fans of Wonder Woman movie, loved seeing her reduced to a Batman conquest.
I don't know who's idea was that. It doesn't really bothered me because a bunch of good adaptations added stuff between Bats and WW. It's not really that forced.
And every batman fan should be pissed at this movie. Not only did he not really have any epic moments, such as the warehouse scene in BvS, but he also was apparently Tony Stark. He had so many freaking jokes and was completely a non batman. Tell me in what comic or even animated thing has batman ever acted as he did in this movie? The whole movie he was either cracking a joke or moping about killing superman.
Every REAL Batman fan should be pissed at Snyder for making Batman a murderer on BvS. That is exactly what Batman isn't.
He really wasn't exaggerated in any kind of jokes. But In recon that Batman on the comics usually only throws a joke eventually and is usually more ironic.
It also wouldn't justify the crap critics throw at this film about the film with a parody like Thor Ragnarok sitting at a 90+ RT score even if it makes Thor a total buffon.
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