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Alkibiádēs said:
Kerozinn said:
Skyrim isnt simply the "not the best version",its the "worst version" Same for DOOM..that game looks DISGUSTING compared to on ANY other platform...and you pay more for it too..like 3 times more than what it costs right now.

So yeah not surprised you mainly mentioned 2d games.

Skyrim is a terrible game except with mods (and even then it's still Skyrim, so don't expect wonders). 

Breath of the Wild is a lot better. 

I'm still wondering how this game ever received such high critic scores last-gen. It's incredible janky, murky and the combat is straight up terrible. It's the only game I regret purchasing. I will still finish it though (or at least try to). 

I much rather play those 2D games then, so much better. ;) 

Gamers really need to get rid of their elitist attitude. Just because a game is 2D or "indie" doesn't mean it's worth less. In fact, often it's a lot better than those typical Western AAA games. 

I played Skyrim with tons of mods on PC last year and barely finished it.. and it was still a very flawed game overall.  Playing this game with the ugliest current gen visuals at 30fps  completely kills it...even if its poertable.

I played alot of indies and and a few 2d games (which usually have great art styles..last one i played was Odin Sphere Remaster and that game looks stellar).

I just think 2d games have more potential on the switch than games like DOOM. 



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BasilZero said:

If its not exclusive and it is on PS4 or PC, no point in buying it on Switch is how I perceive it.

I not and I actually rebuy a few games I already own, because of portability. But it depends, some games I see advantage in portability, some not.



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BasilZero said:

If its not exclusive and it is on PS4 or PC, no point in buying it on Switch is how I perceive it.

 

You can get it for cheaper sooner than later sometimes, have achievements/trophies, bigger userbase for online MP on competitor platforms.

 

 

I guess the only benefit would be if it comes bundled with everything like Disgaea 5 Complete or for portability use but I'd rather get exclusives on the Switch.

I buy every multiplatform game for the Switch due to portability.  Resolution is overrated and as we get further out of the first year, games will start dropping at the same time.  Remember many 3rd parties jumped on the Switch market AFTER it became a hit.  It will even out with time.

 

Why is portability so important?  It gives me and extra hour and a half of playtime a day at work and not to mention any overnight trips I go on.  Then at home can enjoy it on my big screen and it still looks great.  Does it look the best on the TV?  No, of course not.  However DOOM has already shown me that while a game might not look as good side by side, you won't really be noticing it while playing unless you are looking for it.

 

If a game is only released for PS4 and X1, I will buy for that platform.  I see no reason to buy anything available on Switch anywhere else because it maximizes my play time.  In the end, playing the game is what is most important afterall.



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Kerozinn said:
nemo37 said:

That is quite a lot of hyperbole there. Skyrim is better than the PS3 and 360 versions in docked mode and in portable mode you barely notice its skirmishes on a 6.2" display; not to mention it is based on the special edition that launched on the XONE and PS4. Doom does look considerably worse in docked mode than its stationary counterparts, but in portable mode the biggest noticeable difference is the frame rate, again the graphical differences are not really noticeable on a 6.2" display.

While the stationary versions have the best visuals and performance (which is great for people that want to play only on TV), for people that like portability and flexibility the Switch is hands down better, even with regards to games like Doom and Skyrim. The system just makes these games far more accessible because of the portability (and graphically the differences are not really noticeable in many of these games when played in portable mode). For those that prioritize flexibility and portability the Switch version is more than sufficient and I would even go as far to say comparable to the other versions; for those that want both the portability of a handheld and the performance they can always buy both a stationary and a Switch version; and those that only game on TV or in front of the monitor will not really see any benefits in owning the Switch version.

The Switch is a current gen console so why would i even compare it to last gen? 

Comparing it to PS3 and XB360 versions is the only way a switch can win when it comes to skyrim.

Because the Switch is a portable system that consumes 15 watts of power and XONE and PS4 are stationary systems that consume over 100 watts of power; it would be unrealistic to expect the same level of graphics, at least at this time in terms of what is available in terms of hardware at the price at which Switch is being offered (if it was possible both the XONE and PS4 would have portable versions). Plus the game when played in handheld mode doesn't look that different from its PS4 or XONE counterparts (I was expecting lack of anti-aliasing to really be noticeable, but I have barely noticed any jaggies while playing in handheld mode).



Megiddo said:
It's understandable that Switch gamers wouldn't want to download a bunch of 3rd party stuff like a PC gamer would. 32 gigs of space isn't much after all. That has to factor into it as well. There just simply isn't much room for games so unlike Steam users who have huge drives and can install a bunch of games (and yes, a lot of them will likely sit unplayed since they were bought in a discount bundle) the Switch owners can't do that since they have very little storage.

That is really not much of a problem. The Switch has support for SD Card expansion and you can even use multiple SD Cards if you do not have the funds to go for the more expensive ones. I purchased a $200 GB SD card for about $80 and I am not even a quarter way up in terms of filling it. In fact, I have had more of an issue (although it was certainly not a big issue and it was pretty much solved on the spot with an external HD purchase) with my launch XONE and the PS4 I bought earlier this year, because while they have more storage, they also have mandatory disk based installs; the Switch (outside of a few third-party games that have large mandatory downloads) does not have this. Although, even on the PS4 and XONE this was not really an issue since external HDs are really cheap (plus I actually like mandatory installs because it reduces mechanical wear on the disk drives and games load faster from non-disk storage).



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For me the portability factor gives games a lot more value. If I can take the game away from home, it’s the difference between playing it 2 or fewer days a week and 7 days a week. I am out of country at least once every few months. So in other words, an average of 5 days a month, or 30-31 days a month. As I have stated before, Switch brought me back into the home console sphere, where the Wii U got just shy of 300 hours all of last generation (minus Wii emulation, which may add another 500 or so hours if you want to count that, still 800 hours which I’ll soon pass with the Switch), I am already up to nearly 600 hours on the Switch. As another note of comparison: I also had low play times on GameCube, PS2, and PS3 - the Wii and DS got much more attention, largely due to local multiplayer and party games, and portability with the DS. The Wii also felt fresh to me because it had more creative types of games that appealed to me more: Endless Ocean, Rune Factory Frontier, and IR third person shooters - which is the only way I have really enjoyed the genre - so Wii was a bit of a special case.

In short, yes, Switch games in general are of much higher value to me than Wii U. First/third party status is irrelevant; other than the fact that first party games by Nintendo are generally the best games in their genres. The fact that Switch games are generally higher quality than WiiU is really the icing on the cake.

It’s the portability and the much higher accessibility to local multiplayer that adds the value over Wii U.

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For me it's not necessarily matter of value, just the simple matter that if you wait a bit you can get 3rd party games for cheap regardless of how good they are, and this isn't exclusive to Nintendo systems. Doom and Skyrim released just last year and they already cost half of what they used to, safe to say it'll be the same case with the Switch versions.



Love reading the graphics whores comments that read like they'd never heard of video games until the xbone and ps4 came out. Complaints about Switch versions being unplayable haha. If Switch's AMAZING graphics in a HANDHELD are what you consider to be unplayable....i feel sorry for you.

Anyway I think its pretty simple, if you want a multiplat game to have the option to play from anywhere, you buy the Switch version. If you're absolutely sure you're only ever gonna want to play it sitting in front of the TV, you buy xbone or ps4 version.



Lol people still complain about graphics? I'd hate to see some of you before the PS4/XBOX era, did you not play games lol?

If graphics is the real issue for you than stop being a tight arse and buy a high end PC. Don't set the bar at what you can afford but were it truly is. Otherwise the whole graphics debate is meaningless as you are willing to settle.

For us normal people who couldn't give a shit about a small graphical boost, it all comes down to what you value the most out of the system and your needs. Hell i enjoyed the VITA even though it flopped because to my needs it was better than the PS3. Guess what? the VITA graphics aren't that bad. I did not get eye cancer which caused my eyes to bleed because it was so unplayable.



 

 

I'm pretty much getting anything I can on the Switch at this point, as the portability means I'll actually get to play it. Starting and playing a PS4 game is a commitment that generally needs an extended weekend or two in there for me these days. 

Between work and running a movie review blog and retro-gaming Youtube channel (which gobbles up most of what little gaming hours I have), I don't have a lot of room to play new titles. 

The Switch affords me the chance to get in and out of play sessions quickly, wherever I am. Those windows before and after work are suddenly opportunities for a few minutes or an hour of play without completely breaking a routine. 

Dog tired and want to lay in bed before crashing? Switch comes along too... no hassle. 



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