Intrinsic said:
Guitarguy said:
I'm a Sony boy. I love their IP's and their approach to general game design and letting their studios experiment. But Sony really has dropped the ball on a number of features(mainly hardware related) that Microsoft has just knocked out of the park.
1) The Elite controller. I wish Sony made something like this. Yes there are 3rd party controllers with similar features but they are not made by Sony and do not resemble the Dual Shock 4 which I prefer. I have the Nacon Pro and a Scuf Dual Shock 4 controller and I much prefer the Scuf because it is essentially a Dual Shock 4 with added buttons and longer sticks. Problem is I waited 4 weeks for that controller and paid alot for it. No local warranty either(I'm in Australia). An official Dual Shock 'Pro' controller would do away with all these problems.
I'll give you this one.
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I read a rumor quite a while back that there is a new DS4 in the works for PS5 that is supposed to be more than just small changes. Sounds like a DS5 Pro Controller to me, but again, it was just a rumor, so who knows. XB having a Pro Controller is an advantage for those that want one. How many people want one, and can afford one, and how many more consoles does that help XB sell?
Intrinsic said:
Guitarguy said:
2) 4k Blu-Ray playback. MS implemented this in their base Xbox One S console which can often be had cheaper than a base PS4 console. Sony did not even implement this in their premium/4K focused Pro console which is sheer lunacy in my opinion. When I heard the Pro didn't include this feature, I decided against getting one. I would have bought a Sony UHD TV alongside it because my current TV's are only full HD(Sony Bravias).
Imagine that there are teams of people who feed their families off thinking up this shit working at sony. They could have added a 4k player in the PS4. Or even the Pro. They didn't. And get this, they did that on purpose. The only reason they aren't coming out and saying why is because they own a movie studio and also release disc movies.
But 4k blu-ray movies... hell any disc based movie thing is going the way of the compact disc. Its obsolete tech simply because the majority of the world prefers to consume their content in another way. MS implemented that feature because more than anything else, they needed a marketing gimmick to differentiate themselves from the PS4. They got one, but its useless. Don't believe me? look at the sales of the ONe S the whole of this year. What good did having a 4k player do for it?
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No 4k BD drive was a decision based on money. Not only would it hurt an eventual expensive SNY 4k BD player, but it would make the Pro way more expensive if sold at cost. For all we know, XB is taking a loss of some sort to make it happen on both the S and X, and not because they want to, but because they feel they need to. XB1 was cheaper than PS4 for quite some time, and it did nothing for them, so why not throw in a 4k BD player to sweeten the deal? SNY clearly ran the numbers and said to themselves, while we will lose some customers with no 4k BD, we will likely gain way more with a cheaper price. Is it possible that PS couldn't get their hands on enough 4k BD drives to sustain the total PS4 demand?
Intrinsic said:
Guitarguy said:
3) Supersampling enforced via hardware. With the Xbox One X, supersampling is available for every X enhanced game for 1080P tvs so you get a cleaner image with less aliasing. Where with Pro it is essentially up to the discretion of the developer.
I'll give you this one too. But this is also a very sony thing to do, they have this way of leaving these things up to the developers. They do at least have boost mode, but evn that was patched in after a while.
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The point in paying extra for this upgrade is supposed to be the 4k mode, but regardless, extra's like some BC and a much more worthwhile 1080p mode are nice features if you want them. How much this adds to the price of the console is also a question, but it shouldn't be much.
Intrinsic said:
Guitarguy said:
4) Xbox One X power. I initially stated that we wouldn't see many true native 4k games on the Scorpio and it would mainly be indies and AA titles but I was wrong. Rise of the Tomb Raider does run at native 4K on X while Wolfenstein runs near 2160P alot of the time. The 6TF VS 4.2TF difference is vast especially with the extra RAM and higher resolution textures. If I want the biggest jump in visuals from the base PS4, I will be getting the X.
If the PS4 released this year as opposed to last year, it would be in the same power ball park as the XB1X. Unfortunately though, it would have also cost $500. A $500 dollar console.... hasn't anyone learnt anything? The 1X will sell well this month and next.... but then watch those sales plummet next year. We are too far in the generation for better pixels to make any kinda impact. Sony knows it, MS knows it... and soon you will know it too.
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1 year newer tech, approximately 1 year more performance. XB1X didn't launch at $399 though, it was $499, so yes, it has a little more in the box overall, but it's not solely all due to performance. ROTR also runs like crap at full 4k, so Eurogamer strongly suggests using the checkerboard mode which runs very smooth. I'm sure Pro could play ROTR at full 4k with horrible frame rate as well. The extra 4GB of GDDR5 was a smart move by XB.
Intrinsic said:
Guitarguy said:
5) X is smaller/runs quieter compared to Pro
You have its "more expensive" cooling solution to thank for that. Here's is a question though. When you walk into a store around june next year and see the PS4pro for $300 and the XB1X for $500.... will you think it running quieter, being smaller and running its games at a higher rez (that unless you play games at 300% zoom you wouldn't notice) will make seem like a good deal?
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I've seen some vids with XB1X running almost silent, and others where there is clearly a problem of some sort. Most vids do show the XB1X having slightly lesser DB than Pro, in a smaller box. This is surprising to see from XB, but the price of this is a factor, and the reliability still is in question. The Pro has a year of proof that the XB1X doesn't, but we will find out. Not like it is something to stress over, but the scenario and history makes it a factor for a while.
Intrinsic said:
Guitarguy said:
6) Free-sync.
lol.....
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Free-sync is on par with FP16 for the next while. It's there mostly just for good PR.
Intrinsic said:
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I do think that when OLED TV's become cheaper in the next year, I will be getting the Xbox One X instead of a Pro. It just promotes 4k gaming and content(blu ray) more.
If you want to get a one X, then by all means do that. Doesn't mean that Sony dropped the ball in all you talked about.
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Everybody has their own tastes. Nothing wrong at all getting an XB1X if that's what you want. I would argue that saying PS dropped the ball isn't a good way of putting it, because you could just say XB has as well. PS just has focused on certain things that XB hasn't or hadn't, and XB focused on some things that PS hasn't or hadn't. It's actually good that XB has some pluses that PS doesn't, because it keeps the industry moving forward, which is good for everyone.
