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What do You prefer?

Mario Kart 8 DX Odyssey DLC (in few months) 10 18.52%
 
Mario Kart 9 (in 2-3 years) 44 81.48%
 
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PAOerfulone said:
I'd rather have the Odyssey DLC.
I don't think we need a MK9, at least not until NS2 is a thing. Same goes for Splatoon 3 and Smash 5. There's enough content to last a very long time and the online multiplayer extends Mario Kart's lifespan even further than past entries. Plus, that would allow the dev team behind Mario Kart to focus on other things and build their resume and library with some new IPs, like ARMS, or take a shot at making a new game for a long lost series or franchise like Diddy Kong Racing or F-Zero.
Mario Kart 9 being announced already for Switch would just be, in my view, a disappointing waste of opportunity.

Games get stale and old, even with DLC. No game is fun for five years or an entire life span of a console cycle. 



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mZuzek said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

Games get stale and old, even with DLC. No game is fun for five years or an entire life span of a console cycle. 

Yeah, tell that to the people who still play Melee 15 years after its release.

Personally, I don't see myself getting tired of Smash 4 anytime soon and it's been 3 years, plus its console cycle is already over. Super Metroid is still fun 23 years after. Mario Party 2 is still the most fun in its franchise.

Yeah, and there's people out there that think Trump is doing a good job in office. Just because a small cliche of people enjoy something doesn't make it logical for Nintendo as a business. If you look at the analytics, the overwhelming majority of people move on from games really quickly, DLC or not.



AlfredoTurkey said:
mZuzek said:

Yeah, tell that to the people who still play Melee 15 years after its release.

Personally, I don't see myself getting tired of Smash 4 anytime soon and it's been 3 years, plus its console cycle is already over. Super Metroid is still fun 23 years after. Mario Party 2 is still the most fun in its franchise.

Yeah, and there's people out there that think Trump is doing a good job in office. Just because a small cliche of people enjoy something doesn't make it logical for Nintendo as a business. If you look at the analytics, the overwhelming majority of people move on from games really quickly, DLC or not.

Yeah, because people playing a video game made 15 years ago today is comparable to people justifying the behavior of the President of the United States.

The overwhelming majority move on quickly? Tell that to RockStar about Grand Theft Auto V, which just became the best selling video game of all-time.

Melee is still one of the main attractions of the EVO Fighting Tournament, year after year after year. It's right there with Smash 4.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evo_2017#Participants

What would be logical for Nintendo as a business would be to let MK8D continue to sell, milk every last drop it can from that game, and not cut its legs off from underneath with a new entry on the same system. Mario Kart Wii is STILL charting in the Amazon Top 100 despite being over 9 years old and having 2 successors released within that time on two new systems. https://www.amazon.com/best-sellers-video-games/zgbs/videogames/ref=zg_bsar_tab_t_bs#5

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is going to keep on selling for a very long time, it may even have a chance at being the Switch's best selling title. And since it's a port, it'll arguably be the easiest money Nintendo has ever made. So, why would they screw it up with a new entry on the same system?



PAOerfulone said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

Yeah, and there's people out there that think Trump is doing a good job in office. Just because a small cliche of people enjoy something doesn't make it logical for Nintendo as a business. If you look at the analytics, the overwhelming majority of people move on from games really quickly, DLC or not.

The overwhelming majority move on quickly? Tell that to RockStar about Grand Theft Auto V, which just became the best selling video game of all-time.

I'm talking retention rates. There are a lot of studies out there if you want to learn about them. The majority of people move on rather quickly. COD Ghosts, for instance, had at one point on PS4 more 20,000 users online. Now? Four years later? It's under 1,000. That's 1/20th of it's user base gone. 

There's a reason DLC exists and it's BECAUSE these publishers know that people abandon games quickly and want to stem the tide as much as possible. 



Mario Kart 9. With an adventure mode like Diddy Kong Racing and the return of Missions like in the DS version.



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AlfredoTurkey said:
PAOerfulone said:

The overwhelming majority move on quickly? Tell that to RockStar about Grand Theft Auto V, which just became the best selling video game of all-time.

I'm talking retention rates. There are a lot of studies out there if you want to learn about them. The majority of people move on rather quickly. COD Ghosts, for instance, had at one point on PS4 more 20,000 users online. Now? Four years later? It's under 1,000. That's 1/20th of it's user base gone. 

There's a reason DLC exists and it's BECAUSE these publishers know that people abandon games quickly and want to stem the tide as much as possible. 

Because Activision makes a new COD game. Every. Single. Year. The reason Ghosts didn't last is because fans already knew Advance Warfare was on its way. And A.W. didn't last because Black Ops III was on its way, so on and so forth.
If Ghosts was the only Call of Duty game on PS4 or Activision limited its output to one or two Call of Duty games per system, I guarantee you they would last MUCH longer.
Just look at Mario Kart Wii and Mario Kart 7. They're the only Mario Kart games on their systems and they continue to sell. And because they continue to sell, that's new players being introduced to the game, keeping it fresh and active. More so for 7 than Wii. If a new player buys Mario Kart 7 today when they've never played it, it's just as fresh and new as it was if you bought it at launch. And given how strong Mario Kart's legs are, (the fact that it only gets one game per system being a big reason why), that community is going to remain active and vibrant for a long time. If it keeps on selling and new players keep coming in along with players that remain for a lengthy period of time, than that retention rate is very strong. And if Nintendo doesn't release a new game for the Switch, it will remain that way for the entirety of the system's life cycle.



PAOerfulone said: 

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is going to keep on selling for a very long time, it may even have a chance at being the Switch's best selling title. And since it's a port, it'll arguably be the easiest money Nintendo has ever made. So, why would they screw it up with a new entry on the same system?

Thanks for arguing for corporate interests and not gamers interests .... 



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
PAOerfulone said: 

Mario Kart 8 Deluxe is going to keep on selling for a very long time, it may even have a chance at being the Switch's best selling title. And since it's a port, it'll arguably be the easiest money Nintendo has ever made. So, why would they screw it up with a new entry on the same system?

Thanks for arguing for corporate interests and not gamers interests .... 

Your interests. I have no interest in a new Mario Kart game already. I'm perfectly fine with having one Mario Kart game, the best one in the series no less, to last me the Switch's life cycle and wait for Mario Kart 9 on Nintendo Switch 2, where they would be capable of doing much more on a system that is capable of doing much more.

For now, I'd rather they do other things, come up with new IPs or revive old ones that would have a good chance at being successful on the Switch. Getting Mario Kart 9 instead would be a massive disappointment.



PAOerfulone said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Thanks for arguing for corporate interests and not gamers interests .... 

Your interests. I have no interest in a new Mario Kart game already. I'm perfectly fine with having one Mario Kart game, the best one in the series no less, to last me the Switch's life cycle and wait for Mario Kart 9 on Nintendo Switch 2, where they would be capable of doing much more on a system that is capable of doing much more.

For now, I'd rather they do other things, come up with new IPs or revive old ones that would have a good chance at being very successful on the Switch, like Metroid Prime 4.
Getting Mario Kart 9 instead would be a massive disappointment.



PAOerfulone said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Thanks for arguing for corporate interests and not gamers interests .... 

Your interests. I have no interest in a new Mario Kart game already. I'm perfectly fine with having one Mario Kart game, the best one in the series no less, to last me the Switch's life cycle and wait for Mario Kart 9 on Nintendo Switch 2, where they would be capable of doing much more on a system that is capable of doing much more.

For now, I'd rather they do other things, come up with new IPs or revive old ones that would have a good chance at being successful on the Switch. Getting Mario Kart 9 instead would be a massive disappointment.

Already? It's been 3 years since 8 and we probably won't get 9 for another 2 years. The comment I was referring too WAS you literally caring more about corporate interest. And this whole thing about Mario Kart 8 needing to go on and on and on because it's the best yet is just ridiculous. That could be said for any new best entry in a franchise. 9 could come out and people on the Switch 2 would say they don't want a 10, just 9 because it's the best entry in the series. 

I would have preferred different projects than Splatoon 2 or Arms on the Switch, but that doesn't mean I don't think they're valuable to the Switch library or that I can't begin to like them more as I play them more. The same rule applies with Mario Kart 9, you might not think it's a priority to get it on the Switch because you want different projects, but that doesn't mean it isn't a priority for the console or other users. I don't really see the development of Mario Kart 9 taking away greatly from the Switch library like you are implying. It's not one or the other - unique properties or non-unique properties. If Nintendo wants a Mario Kart 9 on Switch, they will find a way to make it, whether or not their hands are tied on current projects.

And you're absolutely right that it is just what I want and not every gamer ever in the world ever of all time ever in all of space and time. ever. Maybe I am too stuck in the past, an old man who is grumpy and should just accept that sooner or later I need to lay down money for a port. Hell, maybe I'm even the minority and most people just want 8 deluxe for the rest of the Switch's life. I guess from my perspective, it's frustrating that the Switch is the first Nintendo console where fans are really just throwing up their arms and saying that ports are good enough because obviously if a game is that good already, more can't be done for it, right? It is so unoriginal and it feels like it goes against what Nintendo's actual developers - and not just port houses - are doing. Innovating and revolutionizing pretty much every major franchise. But whatever, that's just my opinion on it.