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RJTM1991 said:
burninmylight said:

Mario Tennis: Ultra Smash: http://www.nintendolife.com/games/wiiu/mario_tennis_ultra_smash/reviews

Animal Crossing: Amiibo Festival: http://www.nintendolife.com/games/wiiu/animal_crossing_amiibo_festival/reviews

Metroid Prime: Blast Ball: http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/3ds/metroid_prime_blast_ball

Hey! Pikmin: http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/3ds/hey_pikmin

Mario Sports Superstars: http://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/3ds/mario_sports_superstars

Mario & Sonic at the 2016 Rio Olympic Games: http://www.nintendolife.com/games/3ds/mario_and_sonic_at_the_rio_2016_olympic_games

Is there the slightest possibility that the reviewer honestly thought ARMS is a 9/10 game?

They aren't mainline games though, they're spinoffs, and terrible ones at that. There's a big difference between a game like Ultra Sun and Amiibo Festival.

Fact is, when it comes down to it, every big Nintendo release gets top marks from Nintendo Life, and it's mainly due to bias.

This is pure spin at its finest. You're essentially saying Nintendo sends games that aren't "mainline" out to die as shovelware and it doesn't care about the quality, time and budget of these games and the reputation of having its name attached to them.

So basically, what you're saying is that... for tentpole, flagship games, Nintendo goes ball to the wall and makes sure to deliver a masterpiece that consumers and reviewers are sure to love... nah, that's just crazy talk. Nintendo publishes piles of shit and pays off unofficial sites with "Nintendo" in the name for great review scores, because that's a much better idea than putting out great games that can speak for themselves.

By your logic, MK8D, Mario + Rabbids and Ultra Sun and Moon should be considered spinoff games as well. So in actuality, the only games that NintendoLife have awarded perfect scores are Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Samus Returns, Odyssey and Axiom Verge, the last of which is a third party game. Keeping in mind that a perfect score does not suggest that the reviewer is at all saying the game is perfect; that is a killer lineup of games that you'd be hard pressed to find five equivalents on another console released in the same period.

Oh, and I just took a look at your profile. This is all about bias, right? Well let's see:

Currently playing: Yakuza 2 (PS2) as of Oct. 24, 2017

Favorite games: 11 PS3 games

I get the sneaking suspicion that you haven't played a single one of the games awarded 10/10 by NL. Sorry RJTM1991, but I really don't think you have a right to call someone out on bias.



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Nintendo Life is NINTENDO. 

Or it seems like that, based on their ratings.



burninmylight said:
RJTM1991 said:

They aren't mainline games though, they're spinoffs, and terrible ones at that. There's a big difference between a game like Ultra Sun and Amiibo Festival.

Fact is, when it comes down to it, every big Nintendo release gets top marks from Nintendo Life, and it's mainly due to bias.

This is pure spin at its finest. You're essentially saying Nintendo sends games that aren't "mainline" out to die as shovelware and it doesn't care about the quality, time and budget of these games and the reputation of having its name attached to them.

So basically, what you're saying is that... for tentpole, flagship games, Nintendo goes ball to the wall and makes sure to deliver a masterpiece that consumers and reviewers are sure to love... nah, that's just crazy talk. Nintendo publishes piles of shit and pays off unofficial sites with "Nintendo" in the name for great review scores, because that's a much better idea than putting out great games that can speak for themselves.

By your logic, MK8D, Mario + Rabbids and Ultra Sun and Moon should be considered spinoff games as well. So in actuality, the only games that NintendoLife have awarded perfect scores are Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Samus Returns, Odyssey and Axiom Verge, the last of which is a third party game. Keeping in mind that a perfect score does not suggest that the reviewer is at all saying the game is perfect; that is a killer lineup of games that you'd be hard pressed to find five equivalents on another console released in the same period.

Oh, and I just took a look at your profile. This is all about bias, right? Well let's see:

Currently playing: Yakuza 2 (PS2) as of Oct. 24, 2017

Favorite games: 11 PS3 games

I get the sneaking suspicion that you haven't played a single one of the games awarded 10/10 by NL. Sorry RJTM1991, but I really don't think you have a right to call someone out on bias.

'Cause the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games totally isn't biased, right?

I agreed with another user earlier that reviews from Playstation and Xbox sites shouldn't be counted either, so I'm certainly not biased, I'm just not a fan of fansites that do nothing but pad review scores.

Also, I can't have an opinion on Nintendo games because I have a Playstation? That's just stupid.

And yes, again, mainline Nintendo games are different than spinoffs. For example, you can't compare Animal Crossing: New Leaf to Amiibo Festival, or Mario Strikers to Odyssey. No need to turn this into something that it isn't.

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RJTM1991 said:
burninmylight said:

This is pure spin at its finest. You're essentially saying Nintendo sends games that aren't "mainline" out to die as shovelware and it doesn't care about the quality, time and budget of these games and the reputation of having its name attached to them.

So basically, what you're saying is that... for tentpole, flagship games, Nintendo goes ball to the wall and makes sure to deliver a masterpiece that consumers and reviewers are sure to love... nah, that's just crazy talk. Nintendo publishes piles of shit and pays off unofficial sites with "Nintendo" in the name for great review scores, because that's a much better idea than putting out great games that can speak for themselves.

By your logic, MK8D, Mario + Rabbids and Ultra Sun and Moon should be considered spinoff games as well. So in actuality, the only games that NintendoLife have awarded perfect scores are Breath of the Wild, Splatoon 2, Samus Returns, Odyssey and Axiom Verge, the last of which is a third party game. Keeping in mind that a perfect score does not suggest that the reviewer is at all saying the game is perfect; that is a killer lineup of games that you'd be hard pressed to find five equivalents on another console released in the same period.

Oh, and I just took a look at your profile. This is all about bias, right? Well let's see:

Currently playing: Yakuza 2 (PS2) as of Oct. 24, 2017

Favorite games: 11 PS3 games

I get the sneaking suspicion that you haven't played a single one of the games awarded 10/10 by NL. Sorry RJTM1991, but I really don't think you have a right to call someone out on bias.

'Cause the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games totally isn't biased, right?

I agreed with another user earlier that reviews from Playstation and Xbox sites shouldn't be counted either, so I'm certainly not biased, I'm just not a fan of fansites that do nothing but pad review scores.

Also, I can't have an opinion on Nintendo games because I have a Playstation? That's just stupid.

And yes, again, mainline Nintendo games are different than spinoffs. For example, you can't compare Animal Crossing: New Leaf to Amiibo Festival, or Mario Strikers to Odyssey. No need to turn this into something that it isn't.

When the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games showed you proof of how the site in question is unbiased in its reviews, he sounds a lot less biased than the guy who reads one article headline and comes up with a half-assed hot take on the spot.

And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though.

It doesn't matter if mainline games are different from spinoffs. Nintendo still publishes them, advertises them, tries to sell them and wants them to review well. What's just stupid is your suggestion that they are somehow irrelevant.

Also, the same people that run NintendoLife run this site:

http://www.pushsquare.com/

With some of the same staff members from NL. Does this mean we shouldn't trust them for game reviews on Nintendo OR Sony consoles? They must be raking in hella cash from all that moneyhatting.



Yeah, there's no way a game should get a perfect score when it's basically just a port with some added stuff. No matter how good a game is, if it launches twice, it should be docked due to lack of innovation.



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Been playing it 15hrs so far.

The story is weaker due to some of the added content and story that came with the content. And the RotoDex has somehow managed to be made more annoying than Sun/Moon. But other than that the game is much better.

And for those saying the same is the exact same, they're full of shit. It is not the same whatsoever. That being said it is still very familiar. And things run a lot quicker since things have been streamlined -but like I said before, the streamlining definitely makes the story weaker



archer9234 said:
A 10 no. Did they add back in the National Dex. If they didn't. It can't be a 10.

Unfortunately, no, there is no National Dex. This is a glaring issue in this Gen and I hope it remains in this Gen only because it's absolutely lazy not to have it in. 

The game itself, for me is a 7/10 if you already played S/M since the game is still very familiar.

It's a 8.5/10 if you never played S/M prior

And overall I'd say it's a solid 7/10 as a Pokemon game. Its lack of a National Dex, still having lag (better than in X/Y and S/M though), and annoyingly long tutorial (basically the first island) hurts it. 



burninmylight said:
RJTM1991 said:

'Cause the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games totally isn't biased, right?

I agreed with another user earlier that reviews from Playstation and Xbox sites shouldn't be counted either, so I'm certainly not biased, I'm just not a fan of fansites that do nothing but pad review scores.

Also, I can't have an opinion on Nintendo games because I have a Playstation? That's just stupid.

And yes, again, mainline Nintendo games are different than spinoffs. For example, you can't compare Animal Crossing: New Leaf to Amiibo Festival, or Mario Strikers to Odyssey. No need to turn this into something that it isn't.

When the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games showed you proof of how the site in question is unbiased in its reviews, he sounds a lot less biased than the guy who reads one article headline and comes up with a half-assed hot take on the spot.

And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though.

It doesn't matter if mainline games are different from spinoffs. Nintendo still publishes them, advertises them, tries to sell them and wants them to review well. What's just stupid is your suggestion that they are somehow irrelevant.

Also, the same people that run NintendoLife run this site:

http://www.pushsquare.com/

With some of the same staff members from NL. Does this mean we shouldn't trust them for game reviews on Nintendo OR Sony consoles? They must be raking in hella cash from all that moneyhatting.

Well, no, you listed a bunch of terrible cash-ins and tried to push that as proof. You can say whatever you want, it's completely different.

"And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though."

Who said I haven't played them?

The site's called NintendoLife, it's run by hardcore Nintendo fans who owe their current jobs to Nintendo, and I'm guessing that they'll get review copies and other things sent to them too, but they're totally not biased, right?

You're just blindly defending a fansite because you're a fan, I think it's pretty pointless to continue this.



RJTM1991 said:
burninmylight said:

When the guy with the Paper Mario avatar and page full of Wii games showed you proof of how the site in question is unbiased in its reviews, he sounds a lot less biased than the guy who reads one article headline and comes up with a half-assed hot take on the spot.

And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though.

It doesn't matter if mainline games are different from spinoffs. Nintendo still publishes them, advertises them, tries to sell them and wants them to review well. What's just stupid is your suggestion that they are somehow irrelevant.

Also, the same people that run NintendoLife run this site:

http://www.pushsquare.com/

With some of the same staff members from NL. Does this mean we shouldn't trust them for game reviews on Nintendo OR Sony consoles? They must be raking in hella cash from all that moneyhatting.

Well, no, you listed a bunch of terrible cash-ins and tried to push that as proof. You can say whatever you want, it's completely different.

And those terrible cash-ins got poor or mediocre review scores for being poor or mediocre games. The good games got good scores. See how this works?

"And you can have an opinion on games you most likely have never played all you want. Your opinions become worthless when you haven't played said games though."

Who said I haven't played them?

OK,  have you played them?

The site's called NintendoLife, it's run by hardcore Nintendo fans who owe their current jobs to Nintendo, and I'm guessing that they'll get review copies and other things sent to them too, but they're totally not biased, right?

You're just blindly defending a fansite because you're a fan, I think it's pretty pointless to continue this

I'm defending a site because I visit it regularly and am familiar with it enough to know that it doesn't shill for reviews just because it has Nintendo in the name. If you had any history of visiting NL before this thread, you would have said so already. But you don't, you came into this thread and you made a blind assumption based on one review.

Let me put it this way: if I was on NintendoLife's forums and someone said "VGChartz is just a bunch of idiots making up game sales off the top of their heads just to sound smart," then I'd explain to that person the work and process that the members here use to get their numbers. If that makes me a blind VGC fanboy, then sure, whatevs.


And those same hardcore Nintendo fans also run a sister site called Push Square, but you're blindly ignoring that fact. So yes, I'd say it's pretty pointless to continue this if you're going to continue to ignore facts, cover your ears and eyes and sing too loud to listen to reason.



StarOcean said:
archer9234 said:
A 10 no. Did they add back in the National Dex. If they didn't. It can't be a 10.

Unfortunately, no, there is no National Dex. This is a glaring issue in this Gen and I hope it remains in this Gen only because it's absolutely lazy not to have it in. 

The game itself, for me is a 7/10 if you already played S/M since the game is still very familiar.

It's a 8.5/10 if you never played S/M prior

And overall I'd say it's a solid 7/10 as a Pokemon game. Its lack of a National Dex, still having lag (better than in X/Y and S/M though), and annoyingly long tutorial (basically the first island) hurts it. 

Pokemon Bank (which got updated recently and now works with USUM) is pretty much the National Dex now. Can someone explain to me the big deal about missing an in-game National Dex, outside of not being able to read dex entries? Not saying that it shouldn't be present; I just want to make sure I'm not missing something crucial.

I  just beat the first Island Kahuna, and I'm enjoying the main game a lot more than I thought I would. I skipped S/M and spent a year hearing about the silly story, nonstop cutscenes and Hau, so now that I'm actually playing it, I find that the negative hype isn't nearly as bad. Granted, I'm sure some of this was addressed with Ultra.