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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS4 VS Switch lifetime sales, which console will sell the most?

 

What do you expect?

NSW will win by a huge margin 53 16.06%
 
NSW will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a huge margin 117 35.45%
 
Sorry, no troll XB1 option. :P Oh wait... 10 3.03%
 
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Conina said:
Ryng_Tolu said:

Idk if it's gonna sell 10 million (i think i will or at least will be close), but saying it will be lucky to hit 5 million is crazy. Legs are crazy strong.

Can games even have legs yet in their second month?

Yes when sales show small drops or even gains on a week to week basis that is called having strong legs.



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Barkley said:
Pyro as Bill said:

- No it didn't. It came 3rd after FIFA and MK and then went up 5% in sales the following week while Witcher 3's sales dropped 68%.

You're right, apparently the original release UK chart had it at 5th, behind witcher 3 and MK8:D, but they updated it later to be 3rd. Regardless, it sold less than Mario Kart in it's first week. Yet you expect 10m? It came 10th in NPD... 10m? America would be it's biggest market.

The shipments for it's 2nd and 3rd quarters are going to be the definitive nail in that coffin. Then I shall laugh.

Japan sales are 260k, Wii Fit had sold over 1m by this point. It's not coming close to 10m.

The game has been running out of stock week by week in Japan. Nintendo has even apologized for not being able to handle the demand. Therefore, the comparison with well-stocked Wii Fit is a bit dishonest. I don't think it sells like Wii Fit, but if you keep up with weekly sales from the Japanese market, you know well that the game has been selling almost all of its stock week by week.

https://gonintendo.com/stories/350129-nintendo-apologizes-for-lack-of-ring-fit-adventure-stock-in-japan

I believe that nintendo did not expect this demand. As with Just Dance with Ubisoft, Nintendo will invest more in this segment now. I imagine we can expect a Sports Switch and a Ring Fit sequel with more content and improvements. Just see that the ad was on top, with little publicity, in a short, game-oriented direct.



Ring Fit will continue to sell over time, it's not going to be frontloaded. However I dont think it has the same level of attraction in the rest of the world as it has in Japan. I'm confident it will sell over 5M for sure though.

As for the actual topic - Switch has been making it a lot more interesting over the last year, and the console likely hitting 50M before the year is over and before the systems is even 3 years old and with no pricecuts means there's a lot of leverage left.

100M for Switch is a safe bet, and it's definately possible it will go much higher than that. I think PS4 will land somewhere around 120-125M.

They'll be #2 and #3 in whatever order for the best selling home consoles when all is said and done.



Barkley said:
Pyro as Bill said:

- No it didn't. It came 3rd after FIFA and MK and then went up 5% in sales the following week while Witcher 3's sales dropped 68%.

You're right, apparently the original release UK chart had it at 5th, behind witcher 3 and MK8:D, but they updated it later to be 3rd. Regardless, it sold less than Mario Kart in it's first week. Yet you expect 10m? It came 10th in NPD... 10m? America would be it's biggest market.

The shipments for it's 2nd and 3rd quarters are going to be the definitive nail in that coffin. Then I shall laugh.

Japan sales are 260k, Wii Fit had sold over 1m by this point. It's not coming close to 10m.

Wii Fit also had an entire holiday season by this point and was very heavily marketed. No small wonder it sold like hot cakes.

And, like Pyro already pointed out, Ring Fit Adventure has stock issues as Nintendo wasn't prepared to it's level of success, while Wii Fit didn't have that problem.

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xMetroid said:
https://twitter.com/BenjiSales/status/1200905852137414656?s=09

So apparently Switch is significantly up YoY for Black Friday (not cause it's a different week than last year) and he added that it is NOT because of the Lite but the Switch itself just being a hot item... since it's up significantly with the same boring promotion as last year.

So this is actually even better news, as he points out, people are not really there just for the low price cause they dont buy the lite but really want the whole experience so a Switch Pro might perform better.

Imagine once it gets a price cut, animal crossing and everything...
Still think lite will be big during holiday but seems like the classic console will still perform better after all.

They had a crazy good deal here in Luxembourg for BF even, something that's very new here (normally, things are only 20-30% off on BF and is more considered a prelude to the sales season early January). You could get a Switch with 5 games of your choice for 369€ So basically you got a Switch bundled with one game and 4 games for free. Also, keep in mind that RFA and Labo were viable choices, too...



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Bofferbrauer2 said:
xMetroid said:
https://twitter.com/BenjiSales/status/1200905852137414656?s=09

So apparently Switch is significantly up YoY for Black Friday (not cause it's a different week than last year) and he added that it is NOT because of the Lite but the Switch itself just being a hot item... since it's up significantly with the same boring promotion as last year.

So this is actually even better news, as he points out, people are not really there just for the low price cause they dont buy the lite but really want the whole experience so a Switch Pro might perform better.

Imagine once it gets a price cut, animal crossing and everything...
Still think lite will be big during holiday but seems like the classic console will still perform better after all.

They had a crazy good deal here in Luxembourg for BF even, something that's very new here (normally, things are only 20-30% off on BF and is more considered a prelude to the sales season early January). You could get a Switch with 5 games of your choice for 369€ So basically you got a Switch bundled with one game and 4 games for free. Also, keep in mind that RFA and Labo were viable choices, too...

Omg wow okay, but i mean in the more popular market it didn't really get much, in North America it was the same MK8 bundle as last year with the normal price tag.



Don't think Switch will do PS4 numbers, but I do expect Switch to surpass Wii and PS1. PS4 might do 130 million so Switch could very well end up like 20 million behind it when all is said and done. The great thing Nintendo has got going for it is that it's closing in on 3 years and hasn't done a price cut yet. Next holidays maybe they'll ready two huge games (2d Mario + BotW2 ??) plus first price cut plus maybe a Switch Pro all ahead of the Micro/Sony launches to keep momentum going for the Switch through the new system's launches.

They've also got a bunch of handheld franchises that have yet to be brought to the Switch that could help fill up the next 2 or 3 years. Plus Animal Crossing coming soon, and waiting on stuff like Metroid, Pikmin, Fzero????, Star Fox??, Paper Mario, maybe a new DK, and several other sequels to games that are already on Switch (I'm thinking at least 3D Mario, Mario Party, and another Pokemon).

This is off topic now, but I would hope the success of the Switch gives Nintendo the money to get 3rd party AAA support next gen. If Nintendo now sticks to the mid-gen release schedule started with the Switch, that means they could release Switch 2 say like 3 years after ps5/scarlett. Perhaps that time difference plus their profits from Switch would allow them to make a Switch 2 that is close enough to the other two systems in power as to be able to get downgraded but still full versions of 3rd party AAA games releases. You know like drop framerate, rez, some graphical bells and whistles but keep the game very playable and the same overall. If Switch 2 could do that it would be the ultimate version of what Nintendo is doing - hybrid console, full Nintendo focus on a single system, with AAA 3rd party support as well to also compete with those tens of millions of gamers who won't even consider the current Switch.



RolStoppable said:
Barkley said:

You're right, apparently the original release UK chart had it at 5th, behind witcher 3 and MK8:D, but they updated it later to be 3rd. Regardless, it sold less than Mario Kart in it's first week. Yet you expect 10m? It came 10th in NPD... 10m? America would be it's biggest market.

The shipments for it's 2nd and 3rd quarters are going to be the definitive nail in that coffin. Then I shall laugh.

Japan sales are 260k, Wii Fit had sold over 1m by this point. It's not coming close to 10m.

Also, you've allowed yourself to be misled by ZhugeEX. Wii Fit had sold through 1m in Japan in the same timeframe, but Wii Fit was also a Japan-exclusive game at the time, making it much easier to manage stock for Nintendo. Ring Fit Adventure should have also sold through 1m or closer to it by now, it's just that its sales are distributed worldwide and that's why ZhugeEX's tweet is misleading because it doesn't mention that a straight 1:1 comparison between RFA and Wii Fit sales is not possible.

Famitsu has Wii Fit reaching 1M next week. The 260k figure disregards 2 weeks of sales compared to Wii Fit @1M. Does Zhuge have access to actual sales or is he using last week's Famitsu's numbers and comparing them to next week's Wii Fit numbers?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241361&page=1#18



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RolStoppable said:
Pyro as Bill said:

Famitsu has Wii Fit reaching 1M next week. The 260k figure disregards 2 weeks of sales compared to Wii Fit @1M. Does Zhuge have access to actual sales or is he using last week's Famitsu's numbers and comparing them to next week's Wii Fit numbers?

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=241361&page=1#18

Famitsu's numbers are publicly available, so I am pretty sure that ZhugeEX doesn't have any better numbers than we can look up. You are correct that he made a mistake, he compared RFA through five weeks vs. Wii Fit through seven weeks. The actual values through six weeks are 290k for RFA and 910k for Wii Fit.

And as another post noted, Wii Fit was released on December 1st, so it had enjoyed a boost from holiday sales whereas RFA's mid-October launch means no holiday boost for its sales yet.

In any case, it's premature to write off a game like RFA after less than two months when it has already demonstrated good holds in weekly sales. Games that sell beyond the typical console gamer have different sales patterns and curves.

Thought so. Amateur mistake. Seems like he's ignoring the numbers to fit a narrative. Typical communist.

With adequate supply and releasing closer to the holidays RFA would be at 450k compared to Wii Fit at 1m and 45% of Wii Fit's sales is 10m.

Amazon reviews and Ebay are useful for judging non-traditional games. Witcher 3 on Switch has 120+ used copies sold v ~20 of RFA (~15 if you exclude those without the ring). Impressive given the only marketing has been a Youtube video. It's like Nintendo is purposely hindering it so they can measure the strength of word of mouth. Very clever.

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Last edited by CGI-Quality - on 03 December 2019

Nov 2016 - NES outsells PS1 (JP)

Don't Play Stationary 4 ever. Switch!

Lifetime, I expect PS4 to sell between 130 and 140 million, and Switch between 100 and 110 million.