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Forums - Sales Discussion - PS4 VS Switch lifetime sales, which console will sell the most?

 

What do you expect?

NSW will win by a huge margin 53 16.06%
 
NSW will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a small margin 75 22.73%
 
PS4 will win by a huge margin 117 35.45%
 
Sorry, no troll XB1 option. :P Oh wait... 10 3.03%
 
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zorg1000 said:
quickrick said:

I swear it's like  talking to a wall, he keeps saying the same thing no matter what. all these consoles launch during the holidays and  had supply issues.

* he ignores ps4 was sold out within 24 hours and couldn't launch in japan cause of stock issues

*he ignore ps3 couldn't launch in europe because  of  supply

* he ignores switch had more supply then wii, 360, ps2, the first 2 months despite them launching during the holidays.

I mean seriously he must have a real bad comprehension problem. all these points and he brings up stupid data showing sales didn't decline the second month that much, lol.  

Lol yep stupid data that shows a 20 year old trend while you provide no data whatsoever other than piggybacking off what others say, good for you pal.

try to use your brain for a minute. we are talking about the holidays being a advantage, compared to launching in march, not second month being a decline, if switch shipped 600k, for november, and 600k for december, how is that a advantage compared to march? in the end they both sold the same for in 2 months.



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quickrick said:
zorg1000 said:

Lol yep stupid data that shows a 20 year old trend while you provide no data whatsoever other than piggybacking off what others say, good for you pal.

try to use your brain for a minute. we are talking about the holidays being a advantage, compared to launching in march, not second month being a decline, if switch shipped 600k, for november, and 600k for december, how is that a advantage compared to march? in the end they both sold the same for in 2 months.

First there is no any need for insults. Second, December like second month is a part of holiday season, third, clear fact is that consoles will sell much better during holiday season than any in other date in year in any case, that goes for launch also. Fact that Switch was sold out in march and april don't change that fact, point is simple, if launch was in holiday season and not in Q1 Nintendo would from start made plans to have bigger stocks for holiday season launch compared to march launch (where they actually initially prepared 2m for launch that led to huge stock problems). November and December are always most busiest months for almost any product, and that especially goes for consoles, there is a reason why consoles in most cases have launch in holiday season, because it's obvious they will have great sales and great launch in any case, even Wii U (thats worst selling Nintendo console ever) had good launch because holiday season and right after holiday season sales were catastrophic.



This is like asking which console will sell the most, PS1 or PS2. Switch is a brand new generation. It released more than three YEARS after PS4. Sales should not be compared because doing so is totally unfair and illogical.



AlfredoTurkey said:

This is like asking which console will sell the most, PS1 or PS2. Switch is a brand new generation. It released more than three YEARS after PS4. Sales should not be compared because doing so is totally unfair and illogical.

What's wrong with comparing the PS1 and PS2? Or PS4 and Wii/3DS... god forbid we compare sales of a consoles that released a whopping three YEARS apart. Though you haven't seemed to mind these comparisons in the past.

"The PS2 had legs that he PS4 simply won't have."

There's nothing wrong with comparing consoles of different generations, yet saying Switch isn't part of the same generation as PS4/XBO is premature, that remains to be seen. Switch could very well have a release date closer to PS4 than PS5, a software library that shares more games with ps4 than ps5, and spend more of it's life on the market with the ps4 than ps5. Shared generations are defined by peers, the Switch has none, so which it should be grouped with isn't yet known.

But no the comparison of sales between Switch and PS4 is neither unfair or illogical.




zorg1000 said:
DonFerrari said:

ok, whatever, we won't ever make you agree on it, so have your way. Switch would sell 10M if launched on Holiday and PS4 just 500k if launched in March.

Way to take things ouy of context.

I can say the same thing about you, no matter what i say you wont accept that console manufacturers expect sales to remain stable in Dec when launched in Nov and expect them to drop in April when launched in March.

Yes manufacturer can expect sales to be more stable. But when a console have 8 months of shortages it is very clear they wouldn't be able to produce much more to take advantage of the holidays.

Do you know that Sony had to move by aircraft the inventory from January to December to prevent X1 from capturing all sales right?



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

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Barkley said:
AlfredoTurkey said:

This is like asking which console will sell the most, PS1 or PS2. Switch is a brand new generation. It released more than three YEARS after PS4. Sales should not be compared because doing so is totally unfair and illogical.

What's wrong with comparing the PS1 and PS2? Or PS4 and Wii/3DS... god forbid we compare sales of a consoles that released a whopping three YEARS apart. Though you haven't seemed to mind these comparisons in the past.

"The PS2 had legs that he PS4 simply won't have."

There's nothing wrong with comparing consoles of different generations, yet saying Switch isn't part of the same generation as PS4/XBO is premature, that remains to be seen. Switch could very well have a release date closer to PS4 than PS5, a software library that shares more games with ps4 than ps5, and spend more of it's life on the market with the ps4 than ps5. Shared generations are defined by peers, the Switch has none, so which it should be grouped with isn't yet known.

But no the comparison of sales between Switch and PS4 is neither unfair or illogical.


Let me make myself more clear. I think it's illogical and unfair to view these two consoles as competitors since they're separate generations and 3 years apart. The generational thing is self explanatory. The gap in years... well. That's like two sprinters competing in the olympics and letting one of them get a 20 yard head start. Not fair. Illogical. Outcome pointless.



AlfredoTurkey said:
Barkley said:

What's wrong with comparing the PS1 and PS2? Or PS4 and Wii/3DS... god forbid we compare sales of a consoles that released a whopping three YEARS apart. Though you haven't seemed to mind these comparisons in the past.

"The PS2 had legs that he PS4 simply won't have."

There's nothing wrong with comparing consoles of different generations, yet saying Switch isn't part of the same generation as PS4/XBO is premature, that remains to be seen. Switch could very well have a release date closer to PS4 than PS5, a software library that shares more games with ps4 than ps5, and spend more of it's life on the market with the ps4 than ps5. Shared generations are defined by peers, the Switch has none, so which it should be grouped with isn't yet known.

But no the comparison of sales between Switch and PS4 is neither unfair or illogical.


Let me make myself more clear. I think it's illogical and unfair to view these two consoles as competitors since they're separate generations and 3 years apart. The generational thing is self explanatory. The gap in years... well. That's like two sprinters competing in the olympics and letting one of them get a 20 yard head start. Not fair. Illogical. Outcome pointless.

When aligning the sales it would be the same as putting the two springers in different heats and just comparing their total time...



duduspace11 "Well, since we are estimating costs, Pokemon Red/Blue did cost Nintendo about $50m to make back in 1996"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=8808363

Mr Puggsly: "Hehe, I said good profit. You said big profit. Frankly, not losing money is what I meant by good. Don't get hung up on semantics"

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/post.php?id=9008994

Azzanation: "PS5 wouldn't sold out at launch without scalpers."

Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

try to use your brain for a minute. we are talking about the holidays being a advantage, compared to launching in march, not second month being a decline, if switch shipped 600k, for november, and 600k for december, how is that a advantage compared to march? in the end they both sold the same for in 2 months.

First there is no any need for insults. Second, December like second month is a part of holiday season, third, clear fact is that consoles will sell much better during holiday season than any in other date in year in any case, that goes for launch also. Fact that Switch was sold out in march and april don't change that fact, point is simple, if launch was in holiday season and not in Q1 Nintendo would from start made plans to have bigger stocks for holiday season launch compared to march launch (where they actually initially prepared 2m for launch that led to huge stock problems). November and December are always most busiest months for almost any product, and that especially goes for consoles, there is a reason why consoles in most cases have launch in holiday season, because it's obvious they will have great sales and great launch in any case, even Wii U (thats worst selling Nintendo console ever) had good launch because holiday season and right after holiday season sales were catastrophic.

so were gonna keep ignoring the fact that almost every console that had high demand that launched during the holidays had massive shortages and couldn't keep up with demand?, are we gonna keep ignoring the fact that switch had more stock then most console launches did in the holidays? every one knows consoles sell better during the holidays, but when launching during the holidays and  they don't have enough supply,and most consoles didn't have near to cover demand, the holidays goes to waste, even wiiu was sold out for a bit during the holidays, and sales were pretty bad for a console launch, i think if it did great numbers, it would have diffidently been sold out the whole holidays , so there is  absolutely nothing pointing to having a huge supply during the holidays , when time and time again this hasn't been the case for console launches. heck nintedo forcast was only to ship 3 million during holiday launch WW for wiiu. that near what switch shipped during none holiday month.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2012/11/26/nintendo-wii-u-sales/1727191/ 

Last edited by quickrick - on 17 November 2017

quickrick said:
Miyamotoo said:

First there is no any need for insults. Second, December like second month is a part of holiday season, third, clear fact is that consoles will sell much better during holiday season than any in other date in year in any case, that goes for launch also. Fact that Switch was sold out in march and april don't change that fact, point is simple, if launch was in holiday season and not in Q1 Nintendo would from start made plans to have bigger stocks for holiday season launch compared to march launch (where they actually initially prepared 2m for launch that led to huge stock problems). November and December are always most busiest months for almost any product, and that especially goes for consoles, there is a reason why consoles in most cases have launch in holiday season, because it's obvious they will have great sales and great launch in any case, even Wii U (thats worst selling Nintendo console ever) had good launch because holiday season and right after holiday season sales were catastrophic.

so were gonna keep ignoring the fact that almost every console that had high demand that launched during the holidays had massive shortages and couldn't keep up with demand?, are we gonna keep ignoring the fact that switch had more stock then most console launches did in the holidays? every one knows consoles sell better during the holidays, but when launching during the holidays and  they don't have enough supply,and most consoles didn't have near to cover demand, the holidays goes to waste, even wiiu was sold out for a bit during the holidays, and sales were pretty bad for a console launch, i think if it did great numbers, it would have diffidently been sold out the whole holidays , so there is  absolutely nothing pointing to having a huge supply during the holidays , when time and time again this hasn't been the case for console launches. heck nintedo forcast was only to ship 3 million during holiday launch WW for wiiu. that near what switch shipped during none holiday month.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2012/11/26/nintendo-wii-u-sales/1727191/ 

Everything you wrote don't go against what I wrote and my point.

Again, point is simple, if launch was in holiday season and not in Q1 Nintendo would from start made plans to have bigger stocks for holiday season launch compared to march launch (where they actually initially prepared 2m for launch that led to huge stock problems) because they know March and April months are much slower months in any case compared to best performing months in year like November and December.

Last edited by Miyamotoo - on 17 November 2017

Miyamotoo said:
quickrick said:

so were gonna keep ignoring the fact that almost every console that had high demand that launched during the holidays had massive shortages and couldn't keep up with demand?, are we gonna keep ignoring the fact that switch had more stock then most console launches did in the holidays? every one knows consoles sell better during the holidays, but when launching during the holidays and  they don't have enough supply,and most consoles didn't have near to cover demand, the holidays goes to waste, even wiiu was sold out for a bit during the holidays, and sales were pretty bad for a console launch, i think if it did great numbers, it would have diffidently been sold out the whole holidays , so there is  absolutely nothing pointing to having a huge supply during the holidays , when time and time again this hasn't been the case for console launches. heck nintedo forcast was only to ship 3 million during holiday launch WW for wiiu. that near what switch shipped during none holiday month.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/tech/gaming/2012/11/26/nintendo-wii-u-sales/1727191/ 

Everything you wrote don't go against what I wrote and my point.

you have no point in the matter we are discussing, you say fact is console will sell better during holidays, no shit, but thats only if they have supply TO COVER DEMAND. fact is wii and 360 could sold the same exact amount, and way more with out the holidays, and if you don't agree you are an idiot.

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Last edited by Raven - on 17 November 2017