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PS4 VS Switch lifetime sales, which console will sell the most?

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What do you expect?

NSW will win by a huge margin 18 6.69%
 
NSW will win by a small margin 59 21.93%
 
PS4 will win by a small margin 70 26.02%
 
PS4 will win by a huge margin 115 42.75%
 
Sorry, no troll XB1 option. :P Oh wait... 7 2.60%
 
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AngryLittleAlchemist said:
bluedawgs said:

Considering Switch rarely if ever outsells the ps4 despite launching just 8 months ago iand having its heaviest hitters bar pokemon released for the system already i'd say PS4 outsells the switch by about 2:1 (Switch 70-80m, PS4 140-160m)

Rarely? ... It's outsold the PS4 almost every month in NPD and Japan. Like, what? How is that rarely?

Also, it's so weird to me that people think a first year console with huge supply issues up until recently should be outselling a console in it's best year. Why do so many people think new consoles automatically outsell old ones, or that it's expected for new consoles to do so? 

For christ's sakes, there are some people in this thread who have gone as far as to say that the Switch will decrease from now on because it's "biggest exclusives" have already released. Really? Consoles don't work like that. Odyssey isn't the Switch's biggest exclusive either, neither is Zelda. 

Say PS4 will outsell Switch all ya want, I voted that in the pole. But please people, have some common sense.

The world is a lot bigger than Nintendo's two strongest markets. And as long as the Switch sells more in Japan than Europe  (the latter doesn't have all that much supply issues in most big countries). PS4 can relatively easy compete worldwide with the Switch. As it stands now European PS4 sales usually double the Switch European sales and that's enough to overcome NPD losses (usually by only 25k tops a month) and Switch outselling PS4 in Japan.



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RolStoppable said: 
Intrinsic said:

You have this knack of generalizing. And always talking like everyone has some sort of anti nintendo agenda.

I think what I said is clear.... less than a year into the launch of any new hardware is too short a time to be making generation defining predictions as fact. Its ok to make a prediction and no one will argue with that. But its foolhardy to state said prediction like its a fact or to talk like you have some sort of inside knowledge on what everyone else thinks. 

Take note, I am not one of those that feel the switch will not sell well... I won't be surprised if it even outsells the PS4 at the end of its lifetime. Makes no difference to me to be honest.

Lets just end this here.... and agree to disagree as always.

You certainly have an anti-Nintendo agenda, so playing innocent isn't going to matter.

If it doesn't bother you if Switch sells more than the PS4 lifetime, then let me make my prediction.

You don't have to believe me; 

  1. the first two consoles I owned in my life were nintendo consoles. And my all time favorite game(s) are usually games of the Zelda franchise.
  2. Albeit not for myself, but I have purchased a Wii, WiiU and recently a Nintendo Switch for nephews, nieces, cousins....etc because I flet that it was a better fit considering how old they were and that I know their parents really just wanted something good to occupy them.
I am not a multiconsole type gamer, I barely have enough time to play the games I own (eg. I just came around to playing infamous and I have owned that game since 2014). What this means is that I am extremely analytical of which platform I support, and by support I mean with my own money and for myself.
I do have an issue with how certain fans talk, and I do have my reservations of the kinda decisions nintendo makes. And like you, I do make my own predictions. Sometimes I am right and sometimes I am wrong. 
Difference between us, is that if your predictions aren't in line with what I personally believe, it doesn't make you an anti anything in my book. We just think differently. And are entitled to.
Imagine that all this stemmed from your prediction and me simply saying that its too early to make the kinda claim you were making to back your prediction. Nothing wrong with prediction, I even agree with it and also believe that the NS will most likely outsell the PS4. 
If all this makes me have an anti nintendo agenda? then by all means.... more power to you.


killeryoshis said:
Azuren said:

The Switch hitting 100m has everything to do with how long Nintendo supports it. If we have a Switch 2 around the launch of the PS5 and Whatever-the-fuck-Xbox-is-next, I don't think it will have enough time.

So in your world a PS5 will release at latest 2020 so that will mean the Switch 2 will release  around the same time. This will give the Switch a 3-4 lifespan at the biggest. The only way I see that happening is if Nintendo is stupid. There would be no advantage of releasing at such a time. If the PS5 releases in 2019 then this is even more absurd. 

bluedawgs said:

Considering Switch rarely if ever outsells the ps4 despite launching just 8 months ago iand having its heaviest hitters bar pokemon released for the system already i'd say PS4 outsells the switch by about 2:1 (Switch 70-80m, PS4 140-160m)

oh boy. Ok try to separate the predictions you think will happen from predictions you want to happen. Your predictions will be a lot more accurate that way.

Lol i could give a fuck about which outsells which, all i know is ps4 outsells the switch by a lot nearly every week. I'd bet money that my prediction will be way closer to reality than whatever yours is.

AngryLittleAlchemist said:
bluedawgs said:

Considering Switch rarely if ever outsells the ps4 despite launching just 8 months ago iand having its heaviest hitters bar pokemon released for the system already i'd say PS4 outsells the switch by about 2:1 (Switch 70-80m, PS4 140-160m)

Rarely? ... It's outsold the PS4 almost every month in NPD and Japan. Like, what? How is that rarely?

Also, it's so weird to me that people think a first year console with huge supply issues up until recently should be outselling a console in it's best year. Why do so many people think new consoles automatically outsell old ones, or that it's expected for new consoles to do so? 

For christ's sakes, there are some people in this thread who have gone as far as to say that the Switch will decrease from now on because it's "biggest exclusives" have already released. Really? Consoles don't work like that. Odyssey isn't the Switch's biggest exclusive either, neither is Zelda. 

Say PS4 will outsell Switch all ya want, I voted that in the pole. But please people, have some common sense.

Yes, the Switch rarely outsells the PS4. It destroys PS4 in Japan, thats correct. It has beaten PS4 in NPD by very small margins a few times this year yes. Thing is, I wasn't talking about those specific countries, you're responding to me as if I did. Why is that? What I said was correct in every conceivable way. Switch rarely outsells PS4, if ever. 

The thing about losing to Ps4 in its best year is that we are now in year 4 of a continual incline in sales. The PS4 still hasn't peaked, it has every chance to sell better than it has this year in 2018.

By the way it is fucking hilarious that Nintendo fans think Switch will hit 100 million lol, i mean it took years of constant, in your face success for most Nintendo/Xbox fans to accept that PS4 will pass 100 million easily, yet 8 months in people think its locked that Switch will get there AND outsell the PS4 despite the Ps4 continuing to sell not just more, but A LOT more. Shows how warped their realities are.

By the way the recent Nintendo consoles have peaked in year 2 or 1 

Wii (2006) - peaked in 2008

Wii U (2012) - peaked in 2013

3DS (2011) - peaked in 2013

DS is actually the only one that didn't and I'm on mobile and I don't feel like going to check but I believe it peaked in 2007, if not 2008



It is too early to say. But I will go with the PS4 for now.  I think the PS4 in the end will sell around 105-110m.  And although there is a chance for the Switch to reach that number. I am still skeptical about it.

And I have two main reasons for my skepticism and those are:

1) The ever growing mobile market.  We all have seen the shrinkage of the handheld market (It went from 241m units in gen 7th to less than 100m in gen 8th).  Now, it is possible that the Switch hybrid nature might be able to revert this shrinkage process, but that remains to be seen.

And 2) 4K and VR.  In around four years these two will be a lot more mainstream, which will push the need for power even more.  And by that time we will already have PS5 and X2 to fulfill that need.

So, I think in 4 years the Switch might find itself in the same place as the 3DS is right now.  Which is not bad, all things considered.  But not enough to push it above the 100m.



bluedawgs said:

Yes, the Switch rarely outsells the PS4. It destroys PS4 in Japan, thats correct. It has beaten PS4 in NPD by very small margins a few times this year yes. Thing is, I wasn't talking about those specific countries, you're responding to me as if I did. Why is that? What I said was correct in every conceivable way. Switch rarely outsells PS4, if ever. 

The thing about losing to Ps4 in its best year is that we are now in year 4 of a continual incline in sales. The PS4 still hasn't peaked, it has every chance to sell better than it has this year in 2018.

By the way it is fucking hilarious that Nintendo fans think Switch will hit 100 million lol, i mean it took years of constant, in your face success for most Nintendo/Xbox fans to accept that PS4 will pass 100 million easily, yet 8 months in people think its locked that Switch will get there AND outsell the PS4 despite the Ps4 continuing to sell not just more, but A LOT more. Shows how warped their realities are.

By the way the recent Nintendo consoles have peaked in year 2 or 1 

Wii (2006) - peaked in 2008

Wii U (2012) - peaked in 2013

3DS (2011) - peaked in 2013

DS is actually the only one that didn't and I'm on mobile and I don't feel like going to check but I believe it peaked in 2007, if not 2008

Look, you bring up good points. Good points I already knew because people bring them up all the time, but they are good points. All I'm saying is that an arrogant attitude that is meant to downplay the Switch, is not the way to communicate your ideas. The console is doing great, and who knows, it could continue to do great. I honestly kind of doubt the Switch will have a trajectory like a normal nintendo console, I think it's likely the console will peak 3rd year but continue to get pretty great sales 4 or 5 years later. I think it will look closer to a normal consoles sales, than a Nintendo's. I also think it's possible for PS4 to beat 2017 in 2018 ... but then again the exact thing is true of Switch. Just make a more constructive comment instead of toxic ones.  

Also, it's A ) Not laughable to think the Switch can do 100 and B ) Who the fuck didn't think the PS4 would sell more than 100M? Lol



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PS4 by a decent margin. If NS ends up outselling the ps4 I'm buying one



AngryLittleAlchemist said:
bluedawgs said:

Yes, the Switch rarely outsells the PS4. It destroys PS4 in Japan, thats correct. It has beaten PS4 in NPD by very small margins a few times this year yes. Thing is, I wasn't talking about those specific countries, you're responding to me as if I did. Why is that? What I said was correct in every conceivable way. Switch rarely outsells PS4, if ever. 

The thing about losing to Ps4 in its best year is that we are now in year 4 of a continual incline in sales. The PS4 still hasn't peaked, it has every chance to sell better than it has this year in 2018.

By the way it is fucking hilarious that Nintendo fans think Switch will hit 100 million lol, i mean it took years of constant, in your face success for most Nintendo/Xbox fans to accept that PS4 will pass 100 million easily, yet 8 months in people think its locked that Switch will get there AND outsell the PS4 despite the Ps4 continuing to sell not just more, but A LOT more. Shows how warped their realities are.

By the way the recent Nintendo consoles have peaked in year 2 or 1 

Wii (2006) - peaked in 2008

Wii U (2012) - peaked in 2013

3DS (2011) - peaked in 2013

DS is actually the only one that didn't and I'm on mobile and I don't feel like going to check but I believe it peaked in 2007, if not 2008

Look, you bring up good points. Good points I already knew because people bring them up all the time, but they are good points. All I'm saying is that an arrogant attitude that is meant to downplay the Switch, is not the way to communicate your ideas. The console is doing great, and who knows, it could continue to do great. I honestly kind of doubt the Switch will have a trajectory like a normal nintendo console, I think it's likely the console will peak 3rd year but continue to get pretty great sales 4 or 5 years later. I think it will look closer to a normal consoles sales, than a Nintendo's. I also think it's possible for PS4 to beat 2017 in 2018 ... but then again the exact thing is true of Switch. Just make a more constructive comment instead of toxic ones.  

Also, it's A ) Not laughable to think the Switch can do 100 and B ) Who the fuck didn't think the PS4 would sell more than 100M? Lol

1. I never said it was laughable that the Switch could hit 100 mill, I said it was hilarious that Nintendo fans think that within 8 months of Switch's launch despite a lot of the same people saying PS4 couldn't even with big time success for multiple consecutive years

2. Not trying to be a dick, but the bolded is either revisionist history or you simply being ignorant (either on purpose or not.) Let's put it this way, the creator of this thread thought the PS4 would only barely pass the PS3, and that was like a year ago lol. Theres actually still people on this very website who, to this day, think PS4 will collapse like next year or some shit and never pass 100 million.  



bluedawgs said:

1. I never said it was laughable that the Switch could hit 100 mill, I said it was hilarious that Nintendo fans think that within 8 months of Switch's launch despite a lot of the same people saying PS4 couldn't even with big time success for multiple consecutive years

2. Not trying to be a dick, but the bolded is either revisionist history or you simply being ignorant (either on purpose or not.) Let's put it this way, the creator of this thread thought the PS4 would only barely pass the PS3, and that was like a year ago lol. Theres actually still people on this very website who, to this day, think PS4 will collapse like next year or some shit and never pass 100 million.  

1. I mean ... I guess?  

2. I mean, I just joined this site last year. I won't deny there was ever people saying it wouldn't make it, but I don't remember their being "the PS4 won't sell 100M" threads. Maybe that is me being ignorant, but people who think the PS4 won't pass 100M are people that shouldn't be taken seriously. I doubt it was a large selection of the Nintendo or the Xbox or the Atari 2600 community, probably just a few idiots. 



Qwark said:
AngryLittleAlchemist said:

Rarely? ... It's outsold the PS4 almost every month in NPD and Japan. Like, what? How is that rarely?

Also, it's so weird to me that people think a first year console with huge supply issues up until recently should be outselling a console in it's best year. Why do so many people think new consoles automatically outsell old ones, or that it's expected for new consoles to do so? 

For christ's sakes, there are some people in this thread who have gone as far as to say that the Switch will decrease from now on because it's "biggest exclusives" have already released. Really? Consoles don't work like that. Odyssey isn't the Switch's biggest exclusive either, neither is Zelda. 

Say PS4 will outsell Switch all ya want, I voted that in the pole. But please people, have some common sense.

The world is a lot bigger than Nintendo's two strongest markets. And as long as the Switch sells more in Japan than Europe  (the latter doesn't have all that much supply issues in most big countries). PS4 can relatively easy compete worldwide with the Switch. As it stands now European PS4 sales usually double the Switch European sales and that's enough to overcome NPD losses (usually by only 25k tops a month) and Switch outselling PS4 in Japan.

Actually, the Switch has sold better in "Other" regions (EU, Hong Kong, etc) than in Japan. And fair to point out the Switch still has to release in some small markets (South Korea and Taiwan this December, China possibly sometime in the future, for example)

Switch Hardware shipments WW (as of September 30th):
Japan - 1.95 million LTD
The Americas - 3.11 million LTD
Other - 2.56 million LTD

https://www.resetera.com/threads/nintendo-2nd-quarter-results-fy3-2018-switch-7-63m-units-ltd.2459/

How much of "Other" comes from Europe, impossible to know. But shouldn't surprise anyone if it's more than 90% share.

The reason Switch isn't outselling the PS4 every week isn't that it sells badly outside of Japan and US. It's that the PS4 (or PS in general) sells amazingly well in Europe and (specially compared to Xbox and Nintendo) in emerging markets.



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Intrinsic said:
RolStoppable said: 

You certainly have an anti-Nintendo agenda, so playing innocent isn't going to matter.

If it doesn't bother you if Switch sells more than the PS4 lifetime, then let me make my prediction.

You don't have to believe me; 

 

  1. the first two consoles I owned in my life were nintendo consoles. And my all time favorite game(s) are usually games of the Zelda franchise.
  2. Albeit not for myself, but I have purchased a Wii, WiiU and recently a Nintendo Switch for nephews, nieces, cousins....etc because I flet that it was a better fit considering how old they were and that I know their parents really just wanted something good to occupy them.
I am not a multiconsole type gamer, I barely have enough time to play the games I own (eg. I just came around to playing infamous and I have owned that game since 2014). What this means is that I am extremely analytical of which platform I support, and by support I mean with my own money and for myself.
I do have an issue with how certain fans talk, and I do have my reservations of the kinda decisions nintendo makes. And like you, I do make my own predictions. Sometimes I am right and sometimes I am wrong. 
Difference between us, is that if your predictions aren't in line with what I personally believe, it doesn't make you an anti anything in my book. We just think differently. And are entitled to.
Imagine that all this stemmed from your prediction and me simply saying that its too early to make the kinda claim you were making to back your prediction. Nothing wrong with prediction, I even agree with it and also believe that the NS will most likely outsell the PS4. 
If all this makes me have an anti nintendo agenda? then by all means.... more power to you.

 

I don't believe that you don't have an anti-Nintendo agenda. I remember your threads. You think of yourself as objective, but there's evidence in your posting history that you are grasping for straws in your analytical approach when it comes to Nintendo consoles.



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