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LadyJasmine on 06 November 2017

I think people are saying that peoples adherence to craziest fringes of the ideologies like communism in Cambodia and Stalin Russia or Mao China are the equivalent to fundamentalist religious belief.



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VGPolyglot on 06 November 2017
vivster said:
numberwang said:

State-atheism (USSR, Red China, Cambodia etc) were one of the most violent movements in history.

There is no such thing as "state-atheism". Atheism is a belief based on rational thought that a person will find on his own. That's the great thing about atheism, you don't need to be indoctrinated by your parents or the state to find it.

None of the states you mentioned used atheism as a tool to oppress people, simply because there are no atheist policies to use because atheism does not have policies. It just so happened that those states were not ruled my religion.

Actually, I think most atheists these days had to have come to that belief through being made aware of it, not by finding it on your own. I know that I didn't become an atheist until after I was made aware that such a thing existed. And by state atheism, it's not necessarily in that atheism is the official policy, but many religious institutions were shut down, and the religious leaders executed.

setsunatenshi said:
vivster said:

There is no such thing as "state-atheism". Atheism is a belief based on rational thought that a person will find on his own. That's the great thing about atheism, you don't need to be indoctrinated by your parents or the state to find it.

None of the states you mentioned used atheism as a tool to oppress people, simply because there are no atheist policies to use because atheism does not have policies. It just so happened that those states were not ruled my religion.

I was about to say it, but you beat me to it, so I'll just say... pretty much this. I would only change from "belief..." to "disbelief in gods"

Nothing more is needed. No rules or instructions bind every atheist together. It's just an opinion on 1 single subject.

I do agree that atheism is a generic term, and that people cannot be grouped together based on it, but that doesn't mean that a harsh, authoritarian regime cannot do such a thing.

SpokenTruth said:
numberwang said:

State-atheism (USSR, Red China, Cambodia etc) were one of the most violent movements in history.

That's not how that works.  A lack of religion is not a religion.  It's not like those nations were making speeches on atheism.  Nor where they violent as a platform for being non-religious.

It's like not having a favorite sports team.  Some fans will fight over which team is the best but nobody is going to fight others on the basis that they don't follow sports. 

I don't know if they made speeches on atheism, but they made speeches against religion. I'm not sure if you want to use Wikipedia as a valid source, but they mainly ended the campaign because they needed support for the regime after Operation Barbarossa:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928-1941)

Peh said:
vivster said:

There is no such thing as "state-atheism". Atheism is a belief based on rational thought that a person will find on his own. That's the great thing about atheism, you don't need to be indoctrinated by your parents or the state to find it.

None of the states you mentioned used atheism as a tool to oppress people, simply because there are no atheist policies to use because atheism does not have policies. It just so happened that those states were not ruled my religion.

Only one correction. Atheism is not belief based. It is a lack of belief.

Rest is correct. There is no agenda, no doctrine, no rules, nothing of that sort in atheism. Atheism is just a theological position whereas an atheist don't believe in a god or gods.

But some theists, mostly apologists, doesn't understand this simple explanation. 

Yes, that is true in that atheism is not a set ideology, and more of a generic term. However, we can talk about regimes in that sense, like the policies of the CPSU, CCP and Khmer Rouge.



VGPolyglot on 06 November 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

Actually, I think most atheists these days had to have come to that belief through being made aware of it, not by finding it on your own. I know that I didn't become an atheist until after I was made aware that such a thing existed. And by state atheism, it's not necessarily in that atheism is the official policy, but many religious institutions were shut down, and the religious leaders executed.

You weren't aware that it was possible to not believe in deities? I should think everyone would be aware that that is indeed possible, even if they don't know the exact word to describe it...

No, I wasn't aware of it. I just assumed that believing in dieties was something everyone did.



WagnerPaiva on 06 November 2017

The Extreme Left recieved 18 billion from George Soros Open Society to "support the revolution".
No doubt these kind of events will not stop throughout Trump administration. Mind you that the victms are not Antifa members or any kind of leftist protected group, it is baptist christians and country music lovers, the best of what the conservative right has to offer: God, country and family.
Tides are turning though: Brian Epstein and Kevin Spacey scandals are exposing the gay Hollywood mafia, as well as the Pedo Holywood Mafia.
Mrs Brazile is confessing aiding Hillary Clinton on the election frauds and the Lolita Express flight manifestos are leaking online, proving the most powerful men of this planet are evil sex predators.
With all this, I hope the plans of Soros will come to an hault for a while.
As for the church victms, they are martyrs that will be recieved in honor in Heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ, they are my brothers and sister and my heart is one with theirs. And I rejoice for I know I will meet them in Heaven when my time in this world also comes to an end.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

VGPolyglot on 06 November 2017
WagnerPaiva said:

The Extreme Left recieved 18 billion from George Soros Open Society to "support the revolution".
No doubt these kind of events will not stop throughout Trump administration. Mind you that the victms are not Antifa members or any kind of leftist protected group, it is baptist christians and country music lovers, the best of what the conservative right has to offer: God, country and family.
Tides are turning though: Brian Epstein and Kevin Spacey scandals are exposing the gay Hollywood mafia, as well as the Pedo Holywood Mafia.
Mrs Brazile is confessing aiding Hillary Clinton on the election frauds and the Lolita Express flight manifestos are leaking online, proving the most powerful men of this planet are evil sex predators.
With all this, I hope the plans of Soros will come to an hault for a while.
As for the church victms, they are martyrs that will be recieved in honor in Heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ, they are my brothers and sister and my heart is one with theirs. And I rejoice for I know I will meet them in Heaven when my time in this world also comes to an end.

???!?!? I have no idea where this is coming from.

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WagnerPaiva on 06 November 2017
Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

???!?!? I have no idea where this is coming from.

Have you not seen his previous posts/threads? If you had you'd know exactly where it's coming from

But it is all true and facts: Google Soros Open Society 18 billions, you will find the news about the "left revolution aid worldwide".

Google "Brazile Hillary confession" and you will find the statements of Brazile about the election fraud against Bernie Sanders.

Google Epstein and Spacey, also Lolita Express, and you will find news about the Holywood Pedogate.

Also, it is a fact that the recent shoottings in America target conservative christians.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

VGPolyglot on 06 November 2017
WagnerPaiva said:
Ka-pi96 said:

Have you not seen his previous posts/threads? If you had you'd know exactly where it's coming from

But it is all true and facts: Google Soros Open Society 18 billions, you will find the news about the "left revolution aid worldwide".

Google "Brazile Hillary confession" and you will find the statements of Brazile about the election fraud against Bernie Sanders.

Google Epstein and Spacey, also Lolita Express, and you will find news about the Holywood Pedogate.

Also, it is a fact that the recent shoottings in America target conservative christians.

George Soros is not going to be spending billions on a far-left revolution, especially since being a billionaire he'd be one of the primary targets of the far left, and be considered an enemy of the proletariat.



VGPolyglot on 06 November 2017
SpokenTruth said:
VGPolyglot said:

I don't know if they made speeches on atheism, but they made speeches against religion. I'm not sure if you want to use Wikipedia as a valid source, but they mainly ended the campaign because they needed support for the regime after Operation Barbarossa:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USSR_anti-religious_campaign_(1928-1941)

That was more about politics and power.  For centuries, power and influence were heavily controlled by the churches (Rome, for example).  Prior to the late 1910s, the Russian Orthodox Church was controlled by the government but when Communists took over, they separated the church out because it didn't fit with the ideology.  And because the church still held power and influence, they had to be eliminated.

It's not so much atheism itself that was the problem but rather communism.

Can't you say the same about religious institutions? That it's more about politics and power? And I'd say that it was authoritarianism that was the problem, neither atheism nor communism.



WagnerPaiva on 06 November 2017
VGPolyglot said:
WagnerPaiva said:

The Extreme Left recieved 18 billion from George Soros Open Society to "support the revolution".
No doubt these kind of events will not stop throughout Trump administration. Mind you that the victms are not Antifa members or any kind of leftist protected group, it is baptist christians and country music lovers, the best of what the conservative right has to offer: God, country and family.
Tides are turning though: Brian Epstein and Kevin Spacey scandals are exposing the gay Hollywood mafia, as well as the Pedo Holywood Mafia.
Mrs Brazile is confessing aiding Hillary Clinton on the election frauds and the Lolita Express flight manifestos are leaking online, proving the most powerful men of this planet are evil sex predators.
With all this, I hope the plans of Soros will come to an hault for a while.
As for the church victms, they are martyrs that will be recieved in honor in Heaven by the Lord Jesus Christ, they are my brothers and sister and my heart is one with theirs. And I rejoice for I know I will meet them in Heaven when my time in this world also comes to an end.

???!?!? I have no idea where this is coming from.

It is all facts. I was silenced in Vgchartz for saying George Soros is funding Antifa, BLM and revolutions worldwide. Now it is on the news.

 Google Soros Open Society 18 billions, you will find the news about the "left revolution aid worldwide".

I was also silenced here for saying Hillary commited fraud in the election against Sanders, now it is on the news.

Google "Brazile Hillary confession" and you will find the statements of Brazile about the election fraud against Bernie Sanders.

I was silenced here for talking about the Pedofilia in Hollywood and the documentary An Open Secret, now it is worldwide news:

Google Epstein and Spacey, also Lolita Express, and you will find news about the Holywood Pedogate.

Also, it is a fact that the recent shoottings in America target conservative christians.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.

WagnerPaiva on 06 November 2017
VGPolyglot said:
SpokenTruth said:

That was more about politics and power.  For centuries, power and influence were heavily controlled by the churches (Rome, for example).  Prior to the late 1910s, the Russian Orthodox Church was controlled by the government but when Communists took over, they separated the church out because it didn't fit with the ideology.  And because the church still held power and influence, they had to be eliminated.

It's not so much atheism itself that was the problem but rather communism.

Can't you say the same about religious institutions? That it's more about politics and power? And I'd say that it was authoritarianism that was the problem, neither atheism nor communism.

He is funding Antifa, BLM and brazilian leftist groups RIGHT NOW, it is on the newspapers. He funds revolution worlwide and make financial market bets against the Status Quo in each country he funds them. He is funding the USA far left right now, his 18 billion investment on the revolution is worlwide news on every single paper.



My grammar errors are justified by the fact that I am a brazilian living in Brazil. I am also very stupid.