By using this site, you agree to our Privacy Policy and our Terms of Use. Close

Forums - Politics Discussion - The Russian Empire vs. the Soviet Union - a geographic/territorial comparison

Well WW2 colours things, but imo WW1 Germany was likely one of the most impressive military performances ever.

Holding off the combined French and British armies + empires and inflicting far more casualties on the Western Front. Even by 1918 they were inflicting insane casualties on the combined USA and French and British armies.

While they aided the Ottomans and assisted the Austrian Hungarians in knocking out Romania out of the War and devastating the Italian Army and inflicting insane casualties on the Russian army.

Difference between WW2 and WW1 is that after Stalingrad, it seemed like it was all over but German in WW1 had a chance of winning till 1918.



Around the Network
TheWPCTraveler said:
monocle_layton said:
Of course an interesting topic is ruined due to a man who allegedly isn't a nazi but wishes germany won (the fuck does that mean?)

Maybe this conversation would improve if Professor FuckAnyoneWhoIsntEuropeanWhite realized it'd take Austria decades to become a minority, even if we assumed they magically took in twice the amount of migrants than austrians born there

And for god's sake, wishing Germany won? How the fuck is that not ban worthy statement?

A pyhrric victory for the Nazi Germans may actually have been much better than a decisive Soviet victory in the Eastern Front. Given the case of anger against the Germans of the Slavs and Baltic peoples who were stuck under German rule during that war with the Soviets - even with the additional industrial power, they would've fallen apart anyway.

There is a precedent for this, too. The First World War. Germany won decisively against the Russian Empire-turned-USSR, but the manpower needed to maintain control over their newfound eastern territories meant that the German Empire (sorry Rol, but the Austrians in that war were a dead weight) could not sustain the Hundred Days offensive.

In any case, if you are a Finnish irredentist, you should wish for a  victory over the Soviets in order to be able to retake the land lost in the Winter War, as well as maybe take the rest of Karelia.

Also, re: italicised, maybe drop the insult? The entire point is to prevent Austrian Germans from becoming a minority in the first place. I mean, if you study Austrian history, you'd very well know why some Austrians feel that way.

Leadified said:

I have no love for communism but there is no denying that Russia was a superpower during the Soviet Union and transformed the country into an industral powerhouse. The Russian Empire was backwards, in a constant state of financial crisis and just as corrupt as the Soviets, it started to get better towards the end but it was too little too late.

As someone with roots in Austria-Hungary, I can't think of a reason why you would shit your pants, unless if you meant shit your pants laughing on how much of a trainwreck that whole experiment was.

Austria-Hungary was on the verge of breaking apart in the years leading up to the First World War - if it wasn't for the Emperor of Austria and King of Hungary, Franz Ferdinand.
The German Empire found themselves in hot water with both France and the Russian Empire, given how Wilhelm II screwed the diplomatic balance that Chancellor Bismarck worked hard for.

So, yeah, you really would shit your pants if you found yourself in that position.

Huh, that's actually fairly interesting. Thanks for correcting me.

 

As for my last point, I dont think all migrants are perfect. I also understand his concern, but at the same time his gloom and doom nature is highly exaggerated.



Slimebeast said:
Flilix said:

Why would Finland want to get a part of Russia that has never been theirs? That's like half of the original Russia.

This way, Finland would have been just as bad as Russia, controlling a huge foreign area just for power, and not caring about its people.

Because at the time, Finnish tribes populated all those areas in the north market yellow on the first map. We had no historical interest in conquering Novgorod or Moscow.

Finnish tribes? I think you mean Finnic tribes, right? Just like how Turkish and Turkic, and German and Germanic have different connotations.



Personally, I found the immigrant discussion interesting from earlier :D



RolStoppable said:
NobleTeam360 said:
Personally, I found the immigrant discussion interesting from earlier :D

Of course it was interesting. Can be shifted to my thread about Austria where Slimebeast posted what initiated the discussion in this thread.

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/thread.php?id=232173

Slimebeast really knocked it out of the park in my thread.

But then my thread will be killed off



Around the Network

The original Russ had their capital in Kiev and were known to row (russ) down to Constantinople.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

Rus' under the walls of Constantinople (860)

Last edited by numberwang - on 04 November 2017

Ka-pi96 said:
VGPolyglot said:

But then my thread will be killed off

So you're asking us to choose between you and Rol? It's like VGC's greatest user competition has come early!

Hey, I deserve to win this year! God its been long enough already...



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Ka-pi96 said:
barneystinson69 said:

Hey, I deserve to win this year! God its been long enough already...

You're a 2016 user... you're too young to win it

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/116508/super6646/

 

Get rekt.



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).

Ka-pi96 said:
barneystinson69 said:

Hey, I deserve to win this year! God its been long enough already...

You're a 2016 user... you're too young to win it

Wright actually won the year he joined! In any case, Rol is a much more iconic person than I am, so I don't think I'd fare well against him



Ka-pi96 said:
barneystinson69 said:

http://gamrconnect.vgchartz.com/profile/116508/super6646/

 

Get rekt.

Doesn't count! You should have stuck with that account through thick and thin... but you betrayed yourself and made a new one!

Didn't have much of a choice then. :P



Made a bet with LipeJJ and HylianYoshi that the XB1 will reach 30 million before Wii U reaches 15 million. Loser has to get avatar picked by winner for 6 months (or if I lose, either 6 months avatar control for both Lipe and Hylian, or my patrick avatar comes back forever).